I will never put fake japanese people or fake 'any ethnic group' into my comic just because...
it doesnt add to the story and just cause I draw in the manga style doesnt mean I have to pretend I'm japanses making a comic for a japanese (or wannabes) audience.
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cetriya
at 12:11PM, Nov. 26, 2008
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Koshou
at 9:15AM, Nov. 27, 2008
I will never, ever do a furry comic. and by furry I mean blatantly furry. The animal people in Kimeral don't count because the fact that they're animal people actually has relevance to the plot.
and porn too I guess. but that's mostly because a) I don't want my parents to see it and b) I don't think I would be able to do it right. :l
and porn too I guess. but that's mostly because a) I don't want my parents to see it and b) I don't think I would be able to do it right. :l
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Peipei
at 1:39PM, Nov. 29, 2008
You'll see a little bit of everything in my comics, but here's what I absolutely will NOT put in.
Extremely violent/cruel images. There's very violent and then there's extremely offensive and unnecessary violence. I try to keep violence to a minimal.
Ultra graphic sex scenes (iow: Porn). There are/will be "romance scenes", but they are kept very discreet and only between 1-3 pages long :3.
Racial slurs. In my honest opinion, I don't think this kind of language should ever be added to a comic. They're depressing and I don't feel a need for them to be used.
"The lone wolf" protagonist. As many of you who have read my comics, You'll find that the protagonist is not this guy who is all alone in the world, has no one to share his thoughts and feelings with. But instead, he has a little sister to cheer him up xD. I think the lone wolf thing has been killed and plucked up too many times throughout the years :3.
Extremely violent/cruel images. There's very violent and then there's extremely offensive and unnecessary violence. I try to keep violence to a minimal.
Ultra graphic sex scenes (iow: Porn). There are/will be "romance scenes", but they are kept very discreet and only between 1-3 pages long :3.
Racial slurs. In my honest opinion, I don't think this kind of language should ever be added to a comic. They're depressing and I don't feel a need for them to be used.
"The lone wolf" protagonist. As many of you who have read my comics, You'll find that the protagonist is not this guy who is all alone in the world, has no one to share his thoughts and feelings with. But instead, he has a little sister to cheer him up xD. I think the lone wolf thing has been killed and plucked up too many times throughout the years :3.
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Warpedwenger
at 8:10PM, Nov. 30, 2008
I hadn't ever givin it much thought really... I just kinda do what I feel like doin... I guess where I would have to draw the line is violence toward children. One thing I steer clear of is getting too political in my stuff. I know that isn't excactly what you had in mind with the question. but anyway I don't think anybody really cares what my political views are so I spare them that.
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JillyFoo
at 8:11PM, Nov. 30, 2008
Let's see.. what I don't put in my comics.
I won't have in my comics:
-No child pornography.
-The words G** D*** it. It's my own avoidance cuss that I don't want cause it's directly saying the Lord's name in vain. I'm totally fine with s**t, f**k and what not in my comic.
-Excessive use of the praises "My God! Oh my God!" cause I think it's just over used in dramatic situations. Think DBZ.
-If I ever draw a sex scene I'd probably draw it R movie style. Nothing much shows.
-I have done parity fan comics before, but in my two main original comics I avoid pop humor jokes. They get old too fast.
-I try not to update filler art and I don't draw my characters cosplaying as popular anime characters.
I won't have in my comics:
-No child pornography.
-The words G** D*** it. It's my own avoidance cuss that I don't want cause it's directly saying the Lord's name in vain. I'm totally fine with s**t, f**k and what not in my comic.
-Excessive use of the praises "My God! Oh my God!" cause I think it's just over used in dramatic situations. Think DBZ.
-If I ever draw a sex scene I'd probably draw it R movie style. Nothing much shows.
-I have done parity fan comics before, but in my two main original comics I avoid pop humor jokes. They get old too fast.
-I try not to update filler art and I don't draw my characters cosplaying as popular anime characters.
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ozoneocean
at 8:48PM, Nov. 30, 2008
JillyFooFir some reason when I read your work I'm always wondering when the sex sex scene's coming up :)
-If I ever draw a sex scene I'd probably draw it R movie style. Nothing much shows.
Maybe that's just me?
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JillyFoo
at 9:27AM, Dec. 1, 2008
ozoneoceanJillyFooFir some reason when I read your work I'm always wondering when the sex sex scene's coming up :)
-If I ever draw a sex scene I'd probably draw it R movie style. Nothing much shows.
Maybe that's just me?
Well there is going to be an implied sex flashback scene in a few chapters of TPCTH. Two of my main characters aren't virgins! Har har har! ;)
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Walrus
at 5:30PM, Dec. 2, 2008
Porn: That's sick.
sex: Once again, sick.
bashing religion: I'll never make fun of a religion, no matter how ridiculous it may be.
fart jokes: They're just stupid
child porn: That's just sick, and illegal.
words God **** it used in the same sentence, the lords name in vain.
black jokes: What did black people ever do to you?
the "n" word: Look above.
promoting gay rights: I'm not for gay people, I make fun of them.
Torturing or harming babies: That's retarted any you are one sick person for doing that.
Pedophile: Whoever does that needs to drown in a lake.
Can't think of anything else for now, but I will draw:
Suicide
Slitting throats
Death
Some Swearing
Death Threats
Torture
Starvation
Disease
Blood (sometimes in massive amounts)
and more!
sex: Once again, sick.
bashing religion: I'll never make fun of a religion, no matter how ridiculous it may be.
fart jokes: They're just stupid
child porn: That's just sick, and illegal.
words God **** it used in the same sentence, the lords name in vain.
black jokes: What did black people ever do to you?
the "n" word: Look above.
promoting gay rights: I'm not for gay people, I make fun of them.
Torturing or harming babies: That's retarted any you are one sick person for doing that.
Pedophile: Whoever does that needs to drown in a lake.
Can't think of anything else for now, but I will draw:
Suicide
Slitting throats
Death
Some Swearing
Death Threats
Torture
Starvation
Disease
Blood (sometimes in massive amounts)
and more!
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megan_rose
at 5:44PM, Dec. 3, 2008
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ozoneocean
at 6:16PM, Dec. 3, 2008
Yeah...
Porn is good. :)
WalrusThat's sick. In some cases literally.
Suicide
Slitting throats
Death
Some Swearing
Death Threats
Torture
Starvation
Disease
Blood (sometimes in massive amounts)
Porn is good. :)
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harkovast
at 1:29PM, Dec. 4, 2008
When writing Harkovast I try to avoid sexism and racism, and I give this a lot of thought in every step of the story.
Sexism in particular irritates me because silly skimpy out fits make it impossible to take female characters serious. Fun for titilation, but not for a sensible plot!
I have also do not put in any sex or nudity (not judging others who do, but it is not that sort of story).
Sexism in particular irritates me because silly skimpy out fits make it impossible to take female characters serious. Fun for titilation, but not for a sensible plot!
I have also do not put in any sex or nudity (not judging others who do, but it is not that sort of story).
For more Harkovast related goings on, go to the Harkovast Forum
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Druchii
at 9:33PM, Dec. 4, 2008
I hadn't actually thought about it.
The only thing that really comes to mind would be anything political only because I find the ideology of it all boring.
Otherwise, there is little that can't be alluded to or referenced to in the driving motion of a storyline, if it's necessary.
A lot more impact can be garnered from letting the reader's mind fill in the blanks if given enough supposition to understand the situation in a story.
So, if anything, I guess, aside from anything political, it could be anything to indulgent. Whether it's baskets of anime kittens, or necro bestial teenage cross dressing sex. Either one in too much of a dosage can annoy someone. :)
The only thing that really comes to mind would be anything political only because I find the ideology of it all boring.
Otherwise, there is little that can't be alluded to or referenced to in the driving motion of a storyline, if it's necessary.
A lot more impact can be garnered from letting the reader's mind fill in the blanks if given enough supposition to understand the situation in a story.
So, if anything, I guess, aside from anything political, it could be anything to indulgent. Whether it's baskets of anime kittens, or necro bestial teenage cross dressing sex. Either one in too much of a dosage can annoy someone. :)
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PyThomas
at 8:54AM, Dec. 6, 2008
There's some historical events that would just be opening a can of nasty worms for me if I made them the subject of a TLT storyline... such as the Holocaust, 9-11, recent assassinations (JFK, MLK, RFK) or the Jonestown Massacre.
Also, out of respect for my Islamic friends (and NOT out of fear for the extremist terrorists) I won't draw the Muslim prophet Muhammad.
And finally, I will try my best to NEVER succumb to using certain worn-out, irritating cliches that pop up in stories. Some examples:
1) I see this a lot in TV sitcoms and some films: Person A asks Person B to do something like dress up in a bunny suit or take the kids to the pizza place. Person B says "I'm not gonna do it, I don't want to do it, there's no way in hell you're gonna get me to do it, and that's final!". And the very next scene, guess what... Person B is doing it.
2) Somebody pissing/crapping themselves when frightened.
3) The formulaic, WAY-overdone relationship drama of: the man getting caught by the woman with another woman in some provocative-looking situation; the man going "Wait, I can explain!" or words to that effect; the woman storming off, sometimes slapping the man's face in the process; the man later saying "I'm sorry and I love you" to get her back.
4) Someone falling asleep at midnight on New Years' Eve. That crutch is used so much in comic strips on Dec. 31st, that the rubber pad on the bottom is almost worn off.
Also, out of respect for my Islamic friends (and NOT out of fear for the extremist terrorists) I won't draw the Muslim prophet Muhammad.
And finally, I will try my best to NEVER succumb to using certain worn-out, irritating cliches that pop up in stories. Some examples:
1) I see this a lot in TV sitcoms and some films: Person A asks Person B to do something like dress up in a bunny suit or take the kids to the pizza place. Person B says "I'm not gonna do it, I don't want to do it, there's no way in hell you're gonna get me to do it, and that's final!". And the very next scene, guess what... Person B is doing it.
2) Somebody pissing/crapping themselves when frightened.
3) The formulaic, WAY-overdone relationship drama of: the man getting caught by the woman with another woman in some provocative-looking situation; the man going "Wait, I can explain!" or words to that effect; the woman storming off, sometimes slapping the man's face in the process; the man later saying "I'm sorry and I love you" to get her back.
4) Someone falling asleep at midnight on New Years' Eve. That crutch is used so much in comic strips on Dec. 31st, that the rubber pad on the bottom is almost worn off.
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CharleyHorse
at 11:54AM, Dec. 6, 2008
As it stands now I won't put any graphic sex in my work or even nudity. I would, however, imply it. The same goes for the great taboo, cannibalism. I won't show it, but I might imply it.
Here's my philosophy. Every strip or story comic has implied laws or ethics that the artist breaks at his or her peril. This is because you risk jarring your reader out of your little fantasy scenario.
If one is producing a darker version of a fantasy gag strip or story comic then there are fewer taboo rules, and perhaps none at all.
Here's my philosophy. Every strip or story comic has implied laws or ethics that the artist breaks at his or her peril. This is because you risk jarring your reader out of your little fantasy scenario.
If one is producing a darker version of a fantasy gag strip or story comic then there are fewer taboo rules, and perhaps none at all.
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Puff_Of_Smoke
at 12:35PM, Dec. 6, 2008
Anything that isn't situational irony, a pun and situation jokes in general.
And from reading previous posts, I will not put anything anti-religious. Or repeat any awful events in history(holocaust,9-11, Quebec becoming a province.) No racism either.
I may put a lot of anti- and pro- communism propaganda, though, as I loved the 1942-44 propaganda and the cold war propaganda.
Also, unless to mock, NO FUCKING MANGA.
And from reading previous posts, I will not put anything anti-religious. Or repeat any awful events in history(holocaust,9-11, Quebec becoming a province.) No racism either.
I may put a lot of anti- and pro- communism propaganda, though, as I loved the 1942-44 propaganda and the cold war propaganda.
Also, unless to mock, NO FUCKING MANGA.
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I have a gun. It's really powerful. Especially against living things.
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Drasnus
at 2:02PM, Dec. 6, 2008
Lacerated Veil is too innocent for cock jokes.
So I put them in all other work.
So I put them in all other work.
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angry_black_guy
at 12:35PM, Dec. 7, 2008
It all depends on the genre and style of the comic, really. I'm a depraved individual, hardened by the horrors of the internet, so nothing is sacred to me but I'm not about to put rape and cannibalism in a cute story about two friends playing on the swing set.
...unless of course said story is about a monster watching the two friends and is biding his time to jump out and gobble them up. lol @ guro
...unless of course said story is about a monster watching the two friends and is biding his time to jump out and gobble them up. lol @ guro
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megan_rose
at 4:19PM, Dec. 7, 2008
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gurukitty
at 2:58PM, Dec. 14, 2008
Wow, this is a pretty entertaining thread to read.
So for me, I wont do any explicit sex scenes or sappy overdone romance scenes.
I try and avoid overdone cliches as much as possible and I will not do pornography just for pageviews.
I do have some graphic violence and minor swearing occasionally though.
I have bent my pornography rule SLIGHTLY, by starting production of a playboy style nudy calender of the female characters. Thats not really what I would consider pornography though.
So for me, I wont do any explicit sex scenes or sappy overdone romance scenes.
I try and avoid overdone cliches as much as possible and I will not do pornography just for pageviews.
I do have some graphic violence and minor swearing occasionally though.
I have bent my pornography rule SLIGHTLY, by starting production of a playboy style nudy calender of the female characters. Thats not really what I would consider pornography though.
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Senshuu
at 8:06PM, Dec. 14, 2008
Millennium: graphic violence and such. 'Cause it's not a graphic comic, not like that. I have other ways of making it extreeeeme. When it needs to be, of course.
LOVEFEAST: No detailed genitalia. Sorry, detailed genitalia fans.
Also, no .
I go by the gut. If it feels out-of-place, it won't happen. But if it fits...<3
LOVEFEAST: No detailed genitalia. Sorry, detailed genitalia fans.
Also, no .
I go by the gut. If it feels out-of-place, it won't happen. But if it fits...<3
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DMH
at 4:49AM, Jan. 10, 2009
At the moment, all I won't draw is complicated stuff (Hah).
But seriously, stuff I won't draw when i get good enough:
- Rape, child porn and stuff like that. I'm fine with sex in comics, but not when it's forced or underage.
- Torture and gore. I don't like to see people suffer. I in all honesty don't get why death and murder is seen as not so taboo as sex, which brings life.
What about what I don't put in Living With Insanity now?
- Politics. I want it to be a fun comic, politics can kill the fun sometimes.
- Excessive violence. One girl got shot off panel and that's enough to last me for a while.
- Drama and sappy romance. As I said, fun comic. I will probably put a little of this stuff in later this year, as a little character development is always a good thing.
- Stories. I swore to myself nothing but one off jokes for the first month. I sort of broke that last week with a two-parter, but that'll be it. Until February, no long drawn out stories.
Preach it.
But seriously, stuff I won't draw when i get good enough:
- Rape, child porn and stuff like that. I'm fine with sex in comics, but not when it's forced or underage.
- Torture and gore. I don't like to see people suffer. I in all honesty don't get why death and murder is seen as not so taboo as sex, which brings life.
What about what I don't put in Living With Insanity now?
- Politics. I want it to be a fun comic, politics can kill the fun sometimes.
- Excessive violence. One girl got shot off panel and that's enough to last me for a while.
- Drama and sappy romance. As I said, fun comic. I will probably put a little of this stuff in later this year, as a little character development is always a good thing.
- Stories. I swore to myself nothing but one off jokes for the first month. I sort of broke that last week with a two-parter, but that'll be it. Until February, no long drawn out stories.
megan_roseozoneocean
Porn is good. :)
Word.
Preach it.
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machinehead
at 6:31PM, Jan. 10, 2009
The only thing I won't put in my comics is good art and clean humor. Honesty I don't think any subject is too taboo to draw about.
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lefarce
at 11:24PM, Jan. 10, 2009
Nothing is off limits. Why would I limit my creativity. To me no subject is too taboo, and I do mean no subject. It's all about handling it with maturity and wisdom (which pretty much go hand-in-hand anyway). Just being crude and moronic about it I guess would be a limitation, now that I think about it.
My limitation is that I wont make anything that I cant be proud of in the end. But as for any paticular subject, nothing is out of bounds.
My limitation is that I wont make anything that I cant be proud of in the end. But as for any paticular subject, nothing is out of bounds.
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bravo1102
at 4:14AM, Jan. 11, 2009
Depends on the story. Does the story call for that or this? If a character says "f***" every other word, they will. To me it's all about the story. If there is something that commits cannibalism, I'll do it, if a rape scene is called for, it'll be there. But in the end it's about the motivation of the characters and the results of their actions.
Regarding sex; I try to be frank but every time I try to get really explicit something holds me back and I go with soft focus. I will not go pornographic. I've seen it done and the results are usually rather silly.
I have done titiliation for the sheer fact of it, but then only as satire of and a salute to bad exploitation movies.
I try to have a racially diverse cast to depict a cosmopolitan world. If a character is racist, they will be, but the results won't be pretty. Teach tolerance.
I don't do manga.
I will not depict any abuse of children.
I avoid drug references.
Regarding sex; I try to be frank but every time I try to get really explicit something holds me back and I go with soft focus. I will not go pornographic. I've seen it done and the results are usually rather silly.
I have done titiliation for the sheer fact of it, but then only as satire of and a salute to bad exploitation movies.
I try to have a racially diverse cast to depict a cosmopolitan world. If a character is racist, they will be, but the results won't be pretty. Teach tolerance.
I don't do manga.
I will not depict any abuse of children.
I avoid drug references.
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MailOrderClone
at 6:24AM, Jan. 11, 2009
I've never said to myself "I won't write these things into a comic" at any point, but there are a few things that I try to avoid.
The first batch are the obvious ones. I don't feel the least bit comfortable writing on the subject of child abuse or pedophilia, and rape is out in general (although I have made an exception for an implied female-on-male rape in one occasion that I am not exactly proud of). I tend to avoid the killing of children too, as to avoid a baby-shish-kabob situation.
Also, I tend to avoid furry comics. The concept of anthropomorphic animals has never appealed to me, and I've never quite gotten the hang of writing for that oddball style of comic.
I have a remarkably open outlook on writing otherwise. I will and in fact have written same-sex couples before, male and female, and am not adverse to do so again if the story calls for it. I also am not heavily against sex scenes, although shoehorning one into an otherwise kid-friendly comic is something I would try to avoid. Swearing is fine too, although I work around it most of the time; I can use swearing, but I feel that I can tell a better story without it.
The first batch are the obvious ones. I don't feel the least bit comfortable writing on the subject of child abuse or pedophilia, and rape is out in general (although I have made an exception for an implied female-on-male rape in one occasion that I am not exactly proud of). I tend to avoid the killing of children too, as to avoid a baby-shish-kabob situation.
Also, I tend to avoid furry comics. The concept of anthropomorphic animals has never appealed to me, and I've never quite gotten the hang of writing for that oddball style of comic.
I have a remarkably open outlook on writing otherwise. I will and in fact have written same-sex couples before, male and female, and am not adverse to do so again if the story calls for it. I also am not heavily against sex scenes, although shoehorning one into an otherwise kid-friendly comic is something I would try to avoid. Swearing is fine too, although I work around it most of the time; I can use swearing, but I feel that I can tell a better story without it.
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NickGuy
at 11:08AM, Jan. 11, 2009
wow alot of weird and varied reactions in this thread lol.
so if i put a child getting molested in my comic, im a sick individual? intereseting....wasnt there a whole nother thread about how what people put in their comics ISNT what they really think?
so if i put a child getting molested in my comic, im a sick individual? intereseting....wasnt there a whole nother thread about how what people put in their comics ISNT what they really think?
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usedbooks
at 4:30PM, Jan. 11, 2009
NickGuy
wow alot of weird and varied reactions in this thread lol.
so if i put a child getting molested in my comic, im a sick individual? intereseting....wasnt there a whole nother thread about how what people put in their comics ISNT what they really think?
Depends on how you present it, whether it is support, admonishment, shock value, parody... And how graphic you are, of course.
Remember that most of the popular "non-kiddy" cartoons (South Park, Family Guy, etc.) make jokes about some of the most taboo subjects, but their presentation is what matters. (South Park goes for offensive, while Family Guy is more tongue-in-cheek.) And if a serious drama touches on those subjects, they take on a warning/admonishment situation. -- Presented as 'bad,' even 'tragic,' not lightly. You can treat subjects lightly only if the tone of your work is light.
People also tend to 'test the waters,' and work up to those subjects. You can bet that Family Guy wouldn't have gotten away with their musical segment on teenage infanticide in one of their first episodes...
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BffSatan
at 12:29AM, Jan. 13, 2009
I wouldn't make a comic that delibratly offends any one, everything in my comic is for entertainment. I don't intend to sacrifice humour so I don't offend anyone, because then I won't have any ideas I can use, just about everthing will offend someone and I think the comics that could be a little offensive are funnier, so I don't let that bother me and try to make comics for my not-so-easily offended readers, because their opinions matter more then some mother of three who thinks I say fuck too much and that Jesus and Satan shouldn't be playing video games together.
I still have some boundries, I don't make fun of disabilites, I won't ever be homophobic or racist, I won't get political without a good joke behind it and I TRY to tread lightly around the whole Satan and Jesus thing.
I still have some boundries, I don't make fun of disabilites, I won't ever be homophobic or racist, I won't get political without a good joke behind it and I TRY to tread lightly around the whole Satan and Jesus thing.
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Hyena H_ll
at 2:06AM, Jan. 13, 2009
I don't have much "integrity", heh. I'll put in anything I think the story needs... and a lot of things it really doesn't. (No one needs to swear as much as I do. It's kind of embarrassing.) I kind of let my characters write my comics, though- if they'll do or say something, then I'll put in in there.
There's stuff I don't do because I don't like it, or it's some kind of weird personal hang-up. For example, I hate drawing people kissing. I don't have a problem with sex scenes, but I refuse to draw kissing.
There's stuff I don't do because I don't like it, or it's some kind of weird personal hang-up. For example, I hate drawing people kissing. I don't have a problem with sex scenes, but I refuse to draw kissing.
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