Does anyone else here find Wonder Woman's new costume change as stupid as I do. I wasn't a big fan of the swimsuit armor she had in the first place. My favorite was the "New Frontier" armor she had on where she looked ready to go to war.
I mean she's an amazon warrior princess why would she wear a leather jacket and matching pants to fight super villians? So what are your thoughts on the subject.

I think is as stupid as the changes that they tried to put on the Superman and Batman costumes.

The looks of those 3 characters are iconic and timeless IMO. I could agree with some minor tweaks on them, but the complete overhaulin of their costumes is kinda stupid. Just a cheap gimmick to sale more copies.

Besides Wonder Women as a comic has bigger problems than an outdated costume.

Yeah. I set out my detailed thoughts on Wonder Woman's "wardrobe malfunction" in my blog.

In summary though, it's pretty irrelevant. It's perfectly clear that this is a temporary outfit for the purpose of the current story arc only.

What's more annoying is the way it's been hyped to give the impression it's a permanent change, and the clearly false (and rather patronising) reasons given by Straczynski to justify it. Treating readers who pay your wages as idiots is just plain insulting.

This is like her third or fourth outfit change in the past 8 years. Anyone remember Butch Haircut Wondy from a few years back *crickets* Yeah that's what I thought. I honestly like her new costume I honestly think if DC quit listening to the fans whining about "don't change the iconic look!" something interesting might happen for once with said Outfit changes.

In addition, the Star Spangled swimsuit was rather daring for its day historically Wonder Woman's outfit changes have been to push her envelope just a little more.

I generally don't like people dressing in their countries' flags (there's something disrespectful to the flag I think- especially when they are made into shorts or undies) or any flag at that, so any costume change out of state stars/stripes/insignia is an improvement in my book.

This version of Wonder Woman looks better to me. But then I never did like her much (I always tried to puzzle out the amazon part)so maybe I miss out on the aspects that offend fans.

My biggest problem with that promo picture is that she doesn't look like WW. Her hair and face... it's like some actress is playing her in a movie. The best redesign/update of WW that I know of is that animated one where her island battles Ares. She looked like a classic Greek goddess, her hair looked appropriately Mediterranean. Hell, I think she even had a Mediterranean tan.

That Jim Lee picture... looks like his typical work... vaguely Asian-Caucasian character who typically looks nothing like the iconic/ideal representation. I'm only talking hair and face, here.

Costume-wise, I couldn't care less if she changes every issue. AFAIC, the very idea of superhero costumes is stupid.

Tantz Aerine
I always tried to puzzle out the amazon part

Okay ... (*deep breath!*) WW's backstory gets re-written from time to time (and is currently being re-written again, I believe!) but WW's creator (William Moulton Marston) was, among other things, a classical scholar and so the important part of the story begins with the ancient myth of Herakles defeating (or, if you prefer, tricking!) the Amazon queen Hippolyta and stealing her "girdle" (i.e. belt). The Amazons, of course, rise up and free themselves, and that's where the traditional Greek mythology gets left behind!

Hera gives the Amazons a new start on an island called Themyscira, magically hidden from the outside world. There, because Marston believed women are essentially much nicer and more peaceful people than men (ahem!), they devoted themselves to culture and the arts, and built magnificent buildings. Strangely enough, given their supposedly peace-loving nature and the lack of enemies on the island, they also continued to train as warriors. Even more bizarrely, their weapons technology never seems to have developed beyond the spear, the sword and the bow, and yet they somehow created an invisible jet. (Yes, just the one!)

Despite everything else being idyllic, Hippolyta wants a child, which is kind of difficult to achieve on an island without men. Hera therefore tells the Queen to make a baby out of clay. The Goddess brings the clay baby (Diana) to life and various other gods give her the gifts of beauty (Aphrodite), speed (Hermes) and wisdom (Athena). Diana, of course, eventually leaves the island for "Man's World" where the media call her Wonder Woman.

Meanwhile, back at the Ancient Greek myth, the girdle that Herakles originally took from Hippolyta is melted down by the gods and made into WW's golden "lasso of truth". This is no coincidence. As well as his interest in the classics, Marston was also a popular psychologist and his work contributed greatly to the invention of the modern lie-detector.

See - Amazons everywhere!

Tantz Aerine
I generally don't like people dressing in their countries' flags

Well, not being American, she's technically dressed in someone else's country's flag! ;-)

DAJB
Marston was also a popular psychologist and his work contributed greatly to the invention of the modern lie-detector.

I thought he also had a bit of an interest in B&D, which was the main reason for the lasso thingy- ie. it was normally Wonder Woman herself who got tied up.

Plus, that was the best bit of the TV show :)

ozoneocean
I thought he also had a bit of an interest in B&D, which was the main reason for the lasso thingy

Yup! I deleted that from my original post because it had nothing to do with the Amazon connection which Tantz was querying.

But you're absolutely right, of course. Marston lived in a happy little menage-a-trois with his wife and a female assistant, and he definitely had a bondage fetish!

DAJB
Marston lived in a happy little menage-a-trois with his wife and a female assistant, and he definitely had a bondage fetish!

I did not know that!
Some day I hope to emulate that great creator of comics ^____^

I've read a couple wonder woman comics and most of them bored me but there is a lot of potential for her to be a cool super hero. I think giving her a new costume can help writers start making a better storys for her, clothes make the man and all that. If she starts wearing some real warrior armor then she'll be taken serious as a tough super woman.

PPPchairman
I've read a couple wonder woman comics and most of them bored me but there is a lot of potential for her to be a cool super hero. I think giving her a new costume can help writers start making a better storys for her, clothes make the man and all that. If she starts wearing some real warrior armor then she'll be taken serious as a tough super woman.

The new costume doesn't make her look like "a warrior woman." She looks like something out of Birds of Prey.

I think the attraction and uniqueness of WW is long past, and now she is a relic just like Superman. Superheroes are mostly defined by their origins, since everything else is always subject to an indefinite blur of ret-con and soap. In that sense, WW has already lost any connection to her origin.

Manga heroes are also defined by their endings. Unfortunately this doesn't hold true for comics superheroes.

mlai
I think the attraction and uniqueness of WW is long past, and now she is a relic just like Superman.

I have to disagree with that, too often, because Wonder Woman (and superman)is not a hard ass like Batman she gets pushed into the 'lame' category. The best writer DC has right now is on Wonder Woman, and it has some of the most entertaining stories the series has seen since Greg Rucka and Phil Jimenez were writing it.
Therefore, to any who say Wonder Woman is a relic I have to figure you do not care to read that comic seriously. Go grab the George Perez reboot, or either of the other writers I mentioned. I seriously doubt I'll convince any wonder woman naysayers that she's a
Honestly people will often talk about how awesome and innovative Batman is, and the series really isn't all that great occasionally some great writers do pump out Batman arc's that everyone wants to buy like, "Hush", "No Man's Land", and anything that idiot Miller has written.
I seriously doubt I will convince any wonder woman naysayers that she is still relevant and better written than Batman is, but it is kind of the truth. Batman will always sell cause he's Batman and Wondy sells to people who actually enjoy a plot that does not end in "Epic Story Conclusion" where either someone important dies or someone irreverent in the comic for ages dies. .

Anybody can tack on a good story arc on an established character. I'm saying, "Is the story good because she's Wonder Woman?" I.E. does the story actually have relevance and connection to a hero out of time who is steeped in Ancient Greek culture and traditions and sensibilities, and comes to a modern American city and then does her thing?

If the answer is "No, this good story arc can be applied to any heroine with good morals" then the conclusion is WW has lost her relevance and should have died/retired/gone home to rule her island nation long ago.

And reboots do not apply. Reboots are inherently stupid just like Hollywood movie remakes.

You can say the same for a ton of mythological and legendary characters in human history.
Romeo and Juliet is a standard love story, does that decrease its relevance? No, it is relevant because it appeals to our human desires and sometimes ideals of love.
I still have to disagree with you and I have the feeling your disagreeing about Wonder Woman's relevance is simply because does have ideal morals etc. What is wrong with that? People have been using archetypes like that for eons to tell stories, Gandalf is inspired by Merlin, and several other figures does that make Gandalf any less fun to read about?
Short answer is no, people still pick of lord of the rings and people will continue to read Wonder Woman and Superman because deep down we like a good fish out of water tale.

Mitaukano
You can say the same for a ton of mythological and legendary characters in human history.

Yes but their stories have ended. Hence their relevance within their own stories are never lost or diluted.

Romeo and Juliet is a standard love story, does that decrease its relevance?

You don't see R&J being ageless and still doing their schtick ad infinitum in modern day where-ever.

Short answer is no, people still pick of lord of the rings and people will continue to read Wonder Woman and Superman because deep down we like a good fish out of water tale.

That's the whole point. Short of reboots, they're no longer "fish out of water." They're just your generic archetypal hero with good morals. Their stories, as relevant to themselves, are done. This is why ppl no longer buy their comics.

mlai
They're just your generic archetypal hero with good morals. Their stories, as relevant to themselves, are done. This is why ppl no longer buy their comics.

Your incorrect on that people still buy them. I just kind of read your responses and shrug your hellbent on not liking them and I and many others still love them. Pretty much end of discussion on my end. Thanks for the rather interesting opinion.

I actually think it would look decent without that damn 90's kid jacket.

alwinbot
I actually think it would look decent without that damn 90's kid jacket.

DC seems to love putting characters in those. It's gag worthy and makes me wonder if they think those are still "cool"

...I could've designed a better outfit for her than that. :(

Although there'd probably be a great big star right in the middle of her crotch...

Mitaukano
Your incorrect on that people still buy them. I just kind of read your responses and shrug your hellbent on not liking them and I and many others still love them. Pretty much end of discussion on my end. Thanks for the rather interesting opinion.

Oh, right right, I totally forgot that DC superhero comics (specifically WW but also in general) rake in a ton of dough and put Twilight and Harry Potter to shame. The comics industry are totally thriving on their iconic superhero print comics. The facts are obviously against me, and all I have are opinions. I really should look at the statistics and figures next time, d'oh!

As for the jacket... Jim Lee designed the new costume? It's all he knows.

mlai
As for the jacket... Jim Lee designed the new costume? It's all he knows.

Still better than a hoodie though. That's many people's idea of current "urban" fashion still. That style looked daggy even back in the 70's.

How would you make a temp costume for her?

To tell you the truth, I don't really mind the costume change all that much. I think it's more like Spider-Man wearing the black costume for a while or Batman going without the yellow oval on his chest.

The new costume was clearly done to stir up interest in a well known character that comic book readers have consistently ignored for the past few years. (And for a long time before that) If this convinces a few people to check out her book then mission accomplished.

Plus, I think wearing pants makes a bit more sense. I mean, at least Green Lantern will no longer get a free peek whenever Wonder Woman flies in front of him during the next Justice League battle.

ozoneocean
...I could've designed a better outfit for her than that. :(

Although there'd probably be a great big star right in the middle of her crotch...

I would've payed respect to the silver age and replaced that star with an eagle.

Yeah, as a temp costume there's nothing wrong with it. And... WW flies? Without a jet you mean?

The hoodie is not out of style, but ofc it doesn't fit WW. However, that jacket looks like something out of an 80's music video. I'd simply flip thru a current fashion magazine and replace the jacket with another one less yesteryear. Or just let her go without a jacket, but make her hair more voluminous so that her back has something there. Right now nothing about her hair says Greek except that it's black.

She got a mystical flat iron some time ago during the Jimenez run. I think the Telchines gave it to her after she returned the jars that kept Zeus fed as an infant to them.

She got a mystical flat iron some time ago during the Jimenez run. I think the Telchines gave it to her after she returned the jars that kept Zeus fed as an infant to them.

I truly hope that you are joking.

mlai
I truly hope that you are joking.

Totally joking =D

alwinbot

ozoneocean
Although there'd probably be a great big star right in the middle of her crotch...

I would've payed respect to the silver age and replaced that star with an eagle.

llol!

mlai

She got a mystical flat iron some time ago during the Jimenez run. I think the Telchines gave it to her after she returned the jars that kept Zeus fed as an infant to them.

I truly hope that you are joking.

...that just flew higher over my head than Wonder Woman's invisible jet.

Man, I only know her character from the Linda Carter TV show, Superfriends and Justice League anyway..

as i understand it, the latest wonder woman costume change had heavy input control by a marketing group.

that pretty much explains everything to me.