I understand that you can go crazy with sexual shit in here but no no with anything that is racist or promotes hatred.

Here are some script ideas I have...


1) A bunch of nazi punks beat up a black bum while calling him all the racial slurs in the book. They spraypaint a swastika on him.


2) A bunch of islamic extremists kidnap a group of christian missionaries who are on charity work. They demand that the UN make them an ultra-islamic state (that is not in antartica)... meaning there has to be ZERO christians, jews, and other types of infidels. Or else, these christians will be tortured and killed.




*In both cases, these types of people will be portrayed as THUGS. Without portraying all white people and all muslims as evil. Without glorifying their hateful ideologies. Is this ok? Or could this might be interpreted by some as hatespeech aimed at white people and muslims? Could this be interpreted as glorification of hateful ideologies?

I dunno Kyupol. It'd probably be ok...

Well the first one would be funny but not the second.

even though it probably doesn't violate DD terms & conditions, I think you should work on adding more dimension and less cliche to the idea itself. Moral ambiguity is always interesting, you might want to integrate some into this idea of yours.

josif
Well the first one would be funny but not the second.

???? I sincerely hope you are being sarcastic.

There is a line between depicting racist characters and writing a racist screed. But that line can get pretty thin, since as writers we can have our characters speak for us. You write about racism and you always run the risk that somebody is going to read about some neo-nazi goon trashing blacks and jews and and think that that's actually the message you're trying to give. I can almost guarantee it and it's a chance you'll have to take if you feel that you're writing about racism and not being racist.


And I also hope that comment about the one being funny and the other not was a joke,too.

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Well, certainly, neither are funny. But there are actually people like that in the world. If you are just depicting what is in the world, we won't censor it.

LilyRose said it best. Writing about what happens in the world and glorifying it are two different things. Glorifying such deeds would be extremely disrespectful, because in a sense you are saying that one group of people is better than another. Community members have a right to complain about that, and we would take it down, in that case.

But I suspect you know that, and your just asking for attention.

Either way, the unpopularity/hatred you stir up for yourself is your problem. ;)

so a disclaimer would help then... something like... I do not endorse racist/hateful behavior... like a NSFW warning or something?

Thanks for the replies. I appreciate them.

My two cents:
If you do it well it might be interesting. However, it's important to note that ugliness all by itself is usually pretty boring... almost every violent act you can imagine has been done by somebody else, so there's no shock value (if that's what you're after). The skinheads in Romper Stomper, the violence in Children of Men and Pan's Labyrinth, he hatred in American History X... these all had solid story and characters you cared about. The gruesome violence in each served to move the stories along. Violence for its own sake is nobody's picnic. Kinda like a snuff film, you know?

carrollhach
My two cents:
If you do it well it might be interesting. However, it's important to note that ugliness all by itself is usually pretty boring... almost every violent act you can imagine has been done by somebody else, so there's no shock value (if that's what you're after). The skinheads in Romper Stomper, the violence in Children of Men and Pan's Labyrinth, he hatred in American History X... these all had solid story and characters you cared about. The gruesome violence in each served to move the stories along. Violence for its own sake is nobody's picnic. Kinda like a snuff film, you know?

Just wanted to agree that that's a really good point. I mean, if you're serious about what you're writing. Just as writing about boredom is quite different from boring writing, same goes for violence. If your violence takes place in a vacuum than it will be just that - empty. You have to have a moral compass - and even if you disagree with that morality, you need it to give things a sense of perspective, a point from which to judge - is this right? Wrong? Good, bad? You can leave it ambiguous, but you have to supply the perspective - there's very few who can portray a truly amoral world and get away with it - Sergio Leone's Spaghetti Westerns come to mind as one of the few successes but it's a rare talent that doesn't wind up like carrollhach said, where all you've really got is snuff; a pornography of violence, if what we mean by "pornography" is depicting the act for no other reason than the visceral reaction it elicits. And for that, sex is lots more fun than disembowlment, IMHO. And if you feel the opposite, please don't tell me.

carrollhach
the violence in Children of Men and Pan's Labyrinth...

Man, Pan's Labyrinth was a constant dilemma for me! I always cover my eyes or look away for violent stuff... but in this case, when I did, I was missing the subtitles! ^_^

This is good to here because after only my second page I had Josef Stalin resurrected from Hell blowing up Saddam Hussein.

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