All favoritisms put aside who do you think hasto work hardest the spriter or the manga artisan?

Okay, this doesn't belong here so I'm moving it to Comic Discussion.

The people who colours with pencils works harder then either of them.

is this fur real ????
wut does the spriter do ?
the entire process of making a sprite comic consists of just the final stage of a manga.

Unless the spriter makes everything himself(No copy-pasting), the manga guy. Absolutely no question about it.

Hey, let's think about this question for a bit.

I draw in a manga like style made a sprite comic as an experiment;
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/1323/sprietcomeclol1.jpg [img219.imageshack.us]
It took me 15 freaking minutes, when a page of my manga comics usually take several hours. Manga artists work harder all the way (unless it's like, original sprites...but when is it ever.)

lothar
is this fur real ????

Nope. Sorry, it's just a merkin :(

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If the spriter only had one arm, was half blind, only had a Commodore 64 computer and had to deal with random power blackouts every 15 minutes then I'd say the spriter had by far the hardest job! :)

What's a merkin?

humorman
What's a merkin?

A little hobbit that lives in people's pockets. It collects lasagne to make outsider art sculptures.

harkovast
The people who colours with pencils works harder then either of them.

Amen to that!

The Person who use oil painting work the hardest I guess...
(I heard Pink Lad is like that.Not sure.)
But A lot of people these day use computer to paint the drawing...
I've never watched any spriter comic and I'll probably never will because to me,it doesn't really feel like a comic.
Some Manga comic are acceptable to me which is realistic like The Girl Who Leapt Through Time or Summer War.But I don't like Manga comic which have so unrealistic drawing like eye so big it's big as a face.

I'm not sure how much work goes into 'professional' sprite comics, but I know from my experiences in the genre, it's a lot of copy and paste. I have a feeling any form of drawing would be more difficult.

Manga 1
Sprites 0

*facepalms*
Ha ha, ha ha.
You guys, we're posting in a troll thread. Ha.
I am pretty certain this is a troll thread.

Wasn't this covered on Mythbusters?

both are kinda lazy compared to real hand drawn and independently written comics.

but the worst are sprite comics based off of manga, because they're just recycling everything without any original content for attention. anyone that makes sprite comics using manga characters should quit and ask themselves what they're doing with their lives.

johlin
Wasn't this covered on Mythbusters?

Yeah, Jamie made a sprite comic and Adam made a manga. Jamie was finished in under ten minutes because he was basically stealing somebody else's artwork, and Adam hadn't even gotten to the inking stage yet. By the time Adam finished drawing, inking and applying screentone to one manga page, Adam had 30 sprite comic pages, promoted his comic WAY too much in the forums, and quit the comic because he couldn't get the mustache and beret right on his author character "Jamie the Hedgehog".

*raises fist in solidarity salute to Doctor Shadow*
Maximum respect to team pencil!!

both are kinda lazy compared to real hand drawn and independently written comics.
It mighta just been the way you worded it, but I have a little issue with that statement. How is a manga artist lazy, pray tell? If you're talking about preteens who get a "how-too" book and just draw what they see instead of following the advice in it, mayhaps that statement fits. But do you realize how much work goes into a manga-style comic? Just as much as any style of comic. And who says they aren't hand drawn or independently written no matter the quality? Now, don't mistake manga for dojinshi, which is manga based on popular characters and basically fan fiction.


To the original post:
No disrespect intended to spriters but unless it's really bad manga with like 3 large panels with nothing going on then it's manga that takes more effort. However, having worked with the limited resources and trying to edit sprites for my husband's old comic 3PF, I can say it definitely was not just 15 minutes of work. A sprite comic of quality that has some time and effort put into cleaning the sprites, customizing them a little more than recoloring, picking backgrounds that are compatible with the sprites and so on can probably take a little more time and effort than sitting down with a pencil and paper. Let's consider here that the person drawing manga or whatever likely already has drawing talent and knows what he or she is doing and the comic comes naturally to them. Most spriters don't have this edge. Sure it's easy for us illustrators to do a sprite comic in 15 minutes and have it look just fabulous, but I can't deny that people with no real artistic talent working with only mSpaint take great pains to get to where they are. Unless they just really aren't trying, and you can tell when that happens, just like you can tell when someone drawing sloppy manga isn't trying.

So think about it from this angle, is an amateur manga, something like 4 panels of mostly faces, drawn on lined notebook paper, in pencil, with either illegible handwritten text or ms paint word balloons really taking more effort and time than someone who spends 3 hours cleaning, customizing and arranging sprites onto a page to make a narrative and try their darnedest to make it not look like crap when all they have to work with is Paint?

Orin J Master
anyone that makes sprite comics using manga characters should quit and ask themselves what they're doing with their lives.

Coming from the guy that has 64 pages of sprite comic based off another webcomic.

Unless you're making a sprite environment from scratch for an early 90s video game, manga takes the cake.

Manga is still hand drawn and is one step up from stick figures.

I made a longer post but Drunkduck said "HAY, HYUCK YOU'S NOT SIGNED IN! SIGN IN PLZ!" when I clearly WAS. So I've had to retype this and cut it short.

I made an attempt at making my own sprites about 4 years ago. I made a few comics and only two are up on my Sheezyart out of six. They were short gag comics based off my characters. It took EIGHT WEEKS to make some of tthe sprites when I could've drawn and coloured the characters full size in a DAY!

I did the drawing in MS paint and only used PSP8 to make the sheets.

I don't have the sheets at the moment, but I have the two worst comics on Sheezyart.

http://sheezyart.com/art/view/664443/

The designs are horribly outdated.


And even though it was hard making the sprites, and it's hard getting drawn images completed, cleaned and coloured, neither of them match up to people who digitaly paint their works from scratch. All lineart, shading and colours done in a paint program. It's like making the sprites but on an even bigger and more complex scale.

And I know this, because I've done it.

Now, don't mistake manga for dojinshi, which is manga based on popular characters and basically fan fiction.

Couldn't let that one slide. Doujinshi are basically just amateur comics. There is no requirement that they be based on existing or popular characters, just that they aren't sold through a professional publisher. A lot of professional manga artists started out as doujin artists working on original projects.

All lineart, shading and colours done in a paint program. It's like making the sprites but on an even bigger and more complex scale.

I don't find it that hard. In fact, I find it a little faster than working with traditional media. I don't use paper or pencils for anything, anymore. It still pales in comparison to the simplicity of making sprites, though. I an whip out a sprite in ten to fifteen minutes, literally, while a fully drawn character can take as long as an hour and a half depending on detail and the coloring style I use. Honestly, this is kid of a umb topic, though. it's like asking what's harder to animate, an episode of South Park or the Lion King.

isukun
Honestly, this is kid of a dumb topic, though.

It's dumb because it is a TOLL TOPIC! He is trying to piss people off. Why are people still taking this seriously?

Amelius
It mighta just been the way you worded it, but I have a little issue with that statement. How is a manga artist lazy, pray tell?

ever actually read over a collection of manga at a store? i'd say at a rough estimate that something like 70% of the titles are solely rehashed characters and plotlines from older series. and the most popular series tend to be the same plotline with a new antagonist over and over. manga's just gone down the "well, it doesn't matter if we're actually doing anything new" route. poor doomed bastards.

Skullbie
Coming from the guy that has 64 pages of sprite comic based off another webcomic.

actually, 480! that is a continuation of comics posted on the TKT forums, after it was decided i couldn't keep posting it there. also, it's based off the ADVERTISING of another webcomic, i can't think of nearly enough jokes about ass funk to do a TKT comic.

BffSatan
It's dumb because it is a TOLL TOPIC! He is trying to piss people off. Why are people still taking this seriously?

$3, please. B)

i'd say at a rough estimate that something like 70% of the titles are solely rehashed characters and plotlines from older series. and the most popular series tend to be the same plotline with a new antagonist over and over.

First off, that's a problem no matter where your comics come from. It's not like Western comics are brimming with originality (and certainly not sprite comics). And then I really have to wonder what any of that has to do with the amount of work that goes into actually drawing, inking, lettering and coloring these comics. Derivitive or not, it still takes time to do all of that.

isukun

i'd say at a rough estimate that something like 70% of the titles are solely rehashed characters and plotlines from older series. and the most popular series tend to be the same plotline with a new antagonist over and over.

First off, that's a problem no matter where your comics come from. It's not like Western comics are brimming with originality (and certainly not sprite comics). And then I really have to wonder what any of that has to do with the amount of work that goes into actually drawing, inking, lettering and coloring these comics. Derivitive or not, it still takes time to do all of that.

meh, i'm mostly bitter at all the good comics that never get picked up in favor of derivative garbage. that and i consider the writing to be where the most work is for a good comic. funny, people always latch onto my throwaway comments when i'm just snubbing a post i don't like.

Orin there is some new derivative garbage? Oh man! I love that stuff!
Can you send me a link?
I hope it is REALLY unoriginal!

harkovast
Orin there is some new derivative garbage? Oh man! I love that stuff!
Can you send me a link?
I hope it is REALLY unoriginal!

OKAY!

for starters, check out Mikansei, your generic "fish out of water" sotry with a girl that comes from a different culture, so she enrolls in a japanese highschool and competes to (insert generic motivation>"BE AN IDOL")! the required twist is that the girl having panty-flashing antics is confused because she's from out time and it's set in the future! expect her to develop a relationship that will be established in the first chapter, and not get resolved until the series ends!

action more your thing, but you still want some stale gags and unfunny jokes? then i heartily recommend Game X Rush!not only is it centered around i character that's "japan's greatest (insert title for character in series here>{BODYGUARD})", but he's also at odds with a close friend that's killing people! it's like death note, but with less creepy death gods!

prefer fantasy stories where all the monstrous characters are just humans with little horns that look a bit like hair ornaments? try ZONE-OO! after uneasy living between humans and (insert nonhuman here> "DEMON")s for years, the nonhumans suddenly begin to go berserk! and with the government too apathetic to fix the problem, only plucky high school students operating in secret while struggling with their feeligns for each other can save the day, and humanity!

all new series, with no new concepts! from Tokyopop!

harkovast
Orin there is some new derivative garbage? Oh man! I love that stuff!
Can you send me a link?
I hope it is REALLY unoriginal!

LOL xP