Need you to know:I'm a male christian.No worries though,I won't preach.I'm in high school but mature.Oh yeah,this a rant.Sort of.It shall go on and you can post your own thoughts.
Todays Speech:
Greed,sex,money
I look around and I see things that are just...wrong.Like women wearing 2 inch long skirts.I know that sounds wierd coming from a guy but,come on.Think this through with me.And what the hell is up with sex?!It seems everything is based on sex now!Most clothes I see show cleavage and pubs.Then the highlight of todays rant:money.Humans have a lot to do in this section.It seems as if no matter how hard people work,they're working for money.Not food,money.Money for beer.Money for bigscreens.Money for satisfying the ever hungry greed.Some people need the money.Others simply want it.Then those who want to need it and vice versa.I think that the time I see a turly genorous homeless person,I'll be in the presence of God.But when you sit and think,you realize...all people are kind.There is just a bigger evil being withen.That being is greed.He wants it all.I see he is needed but I don't think we should look up to him.

I'm done.
For now.
-DL(Jiken)

Um... what exactly is intrinsically bad about greed, sex, and money?

Religion, though. Oh, don't get me started on religion!

Yeah I'll go to religeon eventually.Its not that its neccasarily(?)bad,theres just too much.Oh and by sex I mean using it as an advertisement for anything non-sex related.Like lectric shave.He clearly comes up from some dinner if you catch my drift.And abercrombie.

Sex is fine. 2 inch miniskirts? Bring 'em on! :)

Greed though really is quite negative. It runs economies... The wants rather than the needs take over. That's what makes me a little sad about the "developed world", because that equals greedy populations. The trouble is the horrible, stupid example they set is what other countries have to aspire to: China even now is destroying it drinking water, ruining its rivers, obliterating historical architecture, and causing masses of all kinds of pollution, all in the name of progress and personal aspiration. People all want cars, the latest trinkets etc, meanwhile their own personal environment bears the cost of their greed.

Gordon Gecko was wrong, greed is bad :)
-which of course was the message of that silly film.

you NEED money(or some form of exhange of service/product rendered) to live if you are going to live in a community. If you can be self sufficient and live in solitary and prepare all your meals, take care of your own needs, put a roof over your head, cure yourself of illness, and etc. then more power to you. but for most of the world that live in a community, they have to perform a service(work) to get service from others(plumming, food processing, medication).

Living in a well to do country offers more than basic needs for your service, you can also get luxury items to help life easier.

now as for cleavage and whatnot, is that really such a big problem compared to other problems facing the world? We can focus all our money and attention trying to solve cleavage, but there's a hungry child somewhere, or a wife being beaten up unrecognizable, a mother who gives away her baby for more heroin, a man who's contemplating of suicide because of all his failed relationships, a woman who is cutting herself because she does not find herself to be desirable...more pressing matters than showing skin.

God is great...so great, that he gave humanity the greatest gift of all...it's your brain, so you don't have to keep depending on him. people should stop treating God like a genie, it's very disrespectful to him and the gift he gave you.

BTW, Subcultured... That last paragraph you wrote is a doctrine officially condemned as heretical by the Church.

-When God needs a church to exist, is when religion is becoming more important than God.

-Besides it's not like churches are ultimately good, it's made and run by humans who by nature can be corrupted.

-I'm a catholic myself, but there are some ideas that I don't agree with.

-besides, it's not like God is calling me a heretic. need I remind you they called the "witches" heretics and put them to death because they think they have sinned? would God really kill something he created? From a catholic point of view, God didn't even kill satan...he moved him to hell.

-Am I really a heritic? or just a man with a different idea than the current or common idea

Not much for the two inch mini skirt, but why are only women the ones who get the whole We'll control what you wear thing? At the same time, it can be seen just how much women are bought into their own commodification. (women are property, and have no value other than such)

Look everyone. Our new born has finally opened his eyes!
Kidding.

But really, the world has ALWAYS been about getting ahead. Before it was about who could get the most food in their cave. Now its whos got the biggest house or biggest TV (I have a 42" HDTV if you care to know =)). But really its never going to change.

The sex? Well i have nothing negitive to say about it. I work with all dudes.But for god's sake dudes should stop wearing womens pants.

as for what happened to this world? when has ever been a moment of bliss for everyone? people need to stop living in the past saying it was "simpler times back then".

because it wasn't, it may seemed simple to you because the whole world wasn't on your shoulders yet because you were younger and had less responsibilites. but saying it was good before and bad now is not very accurate.

there were wars, famine, and disease

but we are slowly trying to solve those problems one step at a time. having interpretors, united nations, nuclear weapons sanctions, increased yield per crop, more nutrients in the process food, vaccinations, medical facilites for abnormal babies, we take care of the ill (better than before were they just stuck them in an institution and wait for them to die), increased (average) lifespan, scientific equiptment to help early evacuation of a disaster zone...

so don't tell me that we are living in hell on earth.

when i first saw the topic of this post i thought it was going to be about how the world is descendeing into barbarism and ignorance !
Wow, was i wrong. i guess our real problems are those damn sexy skirts. 2 inches eh? where did you see this? i would like to visit that place!

seroiusly, i don't get this candyland in the sky idea of heaven !
and it realy angers me when people talk about the Earth like its some fallen place where everyhting is evil and "sinnfull" thats just offensive! Have a little more respect . sex IS nature. you are the product of 100s of millions of years of hardcore action. and now just because a few crazy guys in the past halucinated in the desert :its suddenly gross and bad! .
you people fucking Amaze me !
3 billion years of evolution and all the revelations of science - we've gone from slime to being able to see the edje of the universe and some people want nothing more than to piss it all away : For what ? some prehistoric remnant dream of superbiengs that are interested in what we do with our dangly parts ?
that's progress !

I believe it's not the sex that is supposed to be bad, it's the desires associated with it which in turn foment discontent and inequality in society. We know that desire is a prelude to suffering. So the idea is to tone down all aspects of desire.

Of course, nature doesn't give a rat's ass if desires run animals ragged. It's only "concern" is the reproduction of relevant genes. But as sentient individuals and social groups, humans seek to be higher than animals in their purpose in life. To fulfill higher self-realization and contentment, base desires must be overcome and regulated.

mapaghimagsik
Not much for the two inch mini skirt, but why are only women the ones who get the whole We'll control what you wear thing? At the same time, it can be seen just how much women are bought into their own commodification. (women are property, and have no value other than such)

I don't get this... So men should be able to wear miniskirts too? :)

How are women commodities with no other value? That can happen to people everywhere, regardless of sex or ethnicity. It's how governments were encouraged to see their whole populations by all the new economic rationalism's of the last 30 years or so. Countries in the developing world are still very much encouraged to look at their populations that way, it's very sad. The path to success is buy and selling people apparently. But generally, socially, this is not the case, at least on the small community scale.

If you're thinking about specifically women's right issues, quite apart from general human rights issues, then yes; traditionally females have taken lesser roles in what is seen as a masculine world, especially since most history is told from an extremely masculine centered perspective. And of course there are still many situations today, mostly in the developing world.
-I say "quite apart from general human rights issues" because I'm thinking about situations like the society of the Athenians, where you can say that women didn't have the vote and their power was limited. But of course, the only people who did have that power were Athenian men who owned property- Something like 10% to 15% of the population, all other mean, women and children were excluded. Other examples through time vary, but not too much.

BTW, 2 inches for a minskirt = a belt. :P

Please link pictures of models in 2-inch miniskirts for artistic reference, kthxbye.

In your "rant" a lot of what your saying comes down to what the media portrays and also human nature. Humans want to be powerful, they want to be secure, and they want to continue to have those things.

By flaunting their sexuality, girls can get power, even if they don't truley understand their sexuality yet. The media asserts this idea, by showing girls on places like MTV having power over boys because they wear skimpy clothing, are way too thin, etc.

Money is security to a lot of people. If you don't have to worry about not being able to buy what you want, you're less stressed out. If you have money you have more mobility. Basically life has the opportunity to become more open, and you more more powerful in the eyes of society. Even if you don't know how to do something, you can always hire someone to do it for you. Also money is synonomous with success in our society. So everyone wants to have money so that when they go back to their high school reunion people will envy them.

Greed comes about because people want more money and more power. The grass is always greener on the other side. People who have these things, for some reason, still don't feel secure. Maybe having all of this money/power wasn't what they thought it would be? So they want more. Basically greed comes about either because the media tells people they need things that they don't have, through a variety of advritising tactics, or because they're already rich and powerful but realize it's not all it's cracked up to be. Then they feel that if they get more than they already have maybe they'll discover happiness.


As for religion, the Christian religion argues against these things, which personally I find to be a good thing. Jesus had some great messages. While I may not specifically believe in God as a human-like figure, or specifically believe in a lot of the Christian religion, I do believe that it offers a good moral compass as long as it is not taken to extremes.

GAH!!!Most of you think this topic is purely on sex!No!Bad person!I'm saying that humans are more and more defiling them selves.Theres greed,poverty,illness,suicide(which i'm getting to death)and the list goes on and on!

Alright this will help narrow down my medical ranting:There are about 6 billion people on our planet.That means more used resources which means at least a slight bit of climate change.This isn't helping our lush home!Death isn't bad.Suicide is just a permanet solution to a temporary promblem.Theres need for death.Yes sure prolong life but the day I live to be 200 I'm expecting you 90 year olds to pay my bills.

Oh hey about money:
what happened to trading?Why do we humans trade stuff for credits or money.I really don't care now much about the whole money thing,I just think it should be used for helping the poor and starving.Oh and how do solve hunger?Food.Food?Money.What does the rich(not wealthy Like..Bill Gates)man* do with his money?Usually he spends it on TVs, Games, splee.Now if you truly work for your money,like,come home sit down drink a beer or crash,or even get near straight As and do all your chores,I think you deserve it.Now listen here:I'm not saying hobo's don't deserve money,I'm saying they deserve the opportunity to deserve money.

mlai
Please link pictures of models in 2-inch miniskirts for artistic reference, kthxbye.

And you all seem to like the whole sex sentence:
Sex is not bad at all.I meant to say flaunting it.Men should realize:This may not be my wife*.So why should he sleep with someone he's 70% sure he will only fool around with?Now heres a twist:Humans(formaly men) are usually...disgusting.Why do we crave sex? We live for sex,yes,but do we need it?With our spouse'es, sure. Now please don't make this paragraph the whole meaning of what I've said.

And please don't show me all of my errors but my points.Oh yeah,a lot of what I've typed is from something that I've heared or seen(*)
DL(Jiken)

Jiken ! no offense , but you're making my posts look relatively sane ..

i'm not going to attack you on specifics , but a lot of the flavor of what you're saying sounds familiar (hmm , communism, the taliban) in order for people to have freedom there are always gunna be a lot of other pople in the society doing things you find repugnent, but when people cross that line from annoyance to some kind of action to "fix" what they see as a problem to them : That is where society cracks ! so many of the infamous tyrants of history started on such a slippery slope.
my advice to you is to Read up on history, you said that you're only in middle school rite now, so a lot of what you think you know is prolly gathered from a very finite source. the world is not so simple

I'm having a hard time discerning what you're saying. Try organizing your thoughts better by grouping them by topic and seperating them by paragraph. Think of it as you would if you were writing an essay.

There are about 6 billion people on our planet.That means more used resources which means at least a slight bit of climate change.This isn't helping our lush home!Death isn't bad.Suicide is just a permanet solution to a temporary promblem.Theres need for death.Yes sure prolong life but the day I live to be 200 I'm expecting you 90 year olds to pay my bills.

If people in places like America stopped using so many resources in such a wasteful way, we could avoid climate change.
Death isn't really a problem. It's not a "temporary problem" either. It's just what happens. There's no real way to stop it. Your rant gets really confusing here.

As for money, Bill Gates donates a ton to charity. He lives on only a fraction of his wealth. He helps the world a LOT.
Money is necessary to continue to have a global system that we have. I don't think you really understand how the economy works. Going back to bartering wouldn't help at all. We live in a corporate environment with fixed prices, so bartering would be ridiculous.

As for sex, yes it's overplayed in our world. It's important, but mainly it's become about objectification. Really, I covered this in my previous post. Did you read the replies?

Jiken
GAH!!!Most of you think this fuckin' topic is purely on sex!No!Bad person!I'm saying that humans are more and more defiling them selves.Theres greed,poverty,illness,suicide(which i'm getting to death)and the fucking list goes on and on!

Alright this will help narrow down my medical ranting:There are about 6 billion people on our planet.That means more used resources which means at least a slight bit of climate change.This isn't helping our lush home!Death isn't bad.Suicide is just a permanet solution to a temporary promblem.Theres need for death.Yes sure prolong life but the day I live to be 200 I'm expecting you 90 year olds to pay my bills.

Oh hey about money:
what happened to trading?Why do we humans trade stuff for credits or money.I really don't care now much about the whole money thing,I just think it should be used for helping the poor and starving.Oh and how do solve hunger?Food.Food?Money.What does the rich(not wealthy Like..Bill Gates)man* do with his money?Usually he spends it on TVs, Games, splee.Now if you truly work for your money,like,come home sit down drink a beer or crash,or even get near straight As and do all your chores,I think you deserve it.Now listen here:I'm not saying hobo's don't deserve money,I'm saying they deserve the opportunity to deserve money.

mlai
Please link pictures of models in 2-inch miniskirts for artistic reference, kthxbye.

And you all seem to like the whole sex sentence:
Sex is not bad at all.I meant to say flaunting it.Men should realize:This may not be my wife*.So why should he sleep with someone he's 70% sure he will only fool around with?Now heres a twist:Men are usually...disgusting.Why do we crave The female's body or parts. We live for sex,yes,but do we need it?With our wives or possibly with our intamate girlfriends,sure.(Ladies, simply change the words to fit you).Now please don't make this paragraph the whole meaning of what I've said.

And please don't show me all of my errors but my points.Oh yeah,a lot of what I've typed is from something that I've heared or seen(*)
DL(Jiken)

Ok, wow. You must be part of some sort of super human race where you lived back before nations and legal tender. Because money was made for a reason- it makes things alot less of a hassle- even before money you had to work your ass off to get anything so either way your going to bust your ass for goods that you don't already have.

Sex-
Sex is flaunted because A) people want it by nature. B) it sells products.
which leads to the other things humans want c) Pleasure and D) money.
do we need sex? Of course we do we need to procreate. Besides that? no. But you don't need the heating and cooling in your house either. But its nice.
Men are not disgusting. Humans are disgusting, women don't get a pardon in this matter. They have as many one night stands as men. because they are willing partners in them.

Back to money-
I work 18 to 20 hour days most of the time. I dont make that much money. a homeless person could do what i do and the training was free. Solve world hunger? isn't going to happen because that would require people to get along and all the way back to when we where living in caves humanity as a whole never got along. Hence why every nation has a military.
Homeless people have the opportunity to get a job. Most of them just don't take it. If they want a job bad enough they will do anything. anyone under the age of 42 can join the military. Its atleast 1500 a month with benifits. If they wont take that then they can have fun in the alley.

I don't know what bliss filled land your talking about when your making your posts. Because the "good 'ol days". Fucking sucked.

you know before you write anything, take a long breather so that your writing doesn't sound like how you talk

hmmm... a male christian who uses the words "fuck" to make a point. let's try to keep this discussion civil, huh?

There has always been a group of people in a society "defiling" themselves or others in the past. think about roman orgies, holocaust, tribal genocides in africa, canibalism, binding of feet of chinese females, and the list goes on.

Greed, poverty, illness, and suicide will always happen, even if the society is doing well economically and socially.

-in today's society we try to control it having checks and balances of those that overstep their greediness and hurt people (i.e. enron execs)

-Poverty is being helped by medicaid and outreach programs as well as job placement.

-illness is being discovered and finding cures such as antineoplastic medications for cancer, cancer preventions, MRI/CT scans to help diagnose, vaccinations to previous deadly disease such as smallpox (which wiped out many civilizations before), cleaner waste disposal to decrease accumulation of microorganisms in the water you drink or the environment around you.

-suicidal ideations can be controlled by medications, group/personal therphy



There was a study 50 years or so ago that the rate of population increase would initiate a global famine by the year 2000. you know it actually started to scare people that they began to manufactured food with higher yield such as rice and grain. Most well to do nations even have the luxury of having their people so full of food that it's becoming a problem.

my opinion would be for you to shut of the media once in a while and read a good book about science, politics, sociology...and maybe you would stop believing the hype that the "sky is falling".

Jiken
GAH!!!Most of you think this fuckin' topic is purely on sex!No!Bad person!I'm saying that humans are more and more defiling them selves.Theres greed,poverty,illness,suicide(which i'm getting to death)and the fucking list goes on and on!

Alright this will help narrow down my medical ranting:There are about 6 billion people on our planet.That means more used resources which means at least a slight bit of climate change.This isn't helping our lush home!Death isn't bad.Suicide is just a permanet solution to a temporary promblem.Theres need for death.Yes sure prolong life but the day I live to be 200 I'm expecting you 90 year olds to pay my bills.

Oh hey about money:
what happened to trading?Why do we humans trade stuff for credits or money.I really don't care now much about the whole money thing,I just think it should be used for helping the poor and starving.Oh and how do solve hunger?Food.Food?Money.What does the rich(not wealthy Like..Bill Gates)man* do with his money?Usually he spends it on TVs, Games, splee.Now if you truly work for your money,like,come home sit down drink a beer or crash,or even get near straight As and do all your chores,I think you deserve it.Now listen here:I'm not saying hobo's don't deserve money,I'm saying they deserve the opportunity to deserve money.

mlai
Please link pictures of models in 2-inch miniskirts for artistic reference, kthxbye.

And you all seem to like the whole sex sentence:
Sex is not bad at all.I meant to say flaunting it.Men should realize:This may not be my wife*.So why should he sleep with someone he's 70% sure he will only fool around with?Now heres a twist:Men are usually...disgusting.Why do we crave The female's body or parts. We live for sex,yes,but do we need it?With our wives or possibly with our intamate girlfriends,sure.(Ladies, simply change the words to fit you).Now please don't make this paragraph the whole meaning of what I've said.

And please don't show me all of my errors but my points.Oh yeah,a lot of what I've typed is from something that I've heared or seen(*)
DL(Jiken)

Oh crap...I've made a fool of my self.Again.I take your peoples side.I don't give up,I just realize my flaws thanks to you all.Thats not sarcasm.I'm sorry if I "hurt" anyone with the whole money/hobo thing.I do give up on the thread.With a crazy person running it,it makes him feel stupid to say the least when these good smart persons make awesome points.Yeah sorry for cussing,I'll go edit that.Thank you all.

We don't care if we can out-talk you. That's easy; you're a kid and we're experienced adults.

The reason we've spent our time is because we want you to see that your previously held assumptions are erroneous, or had only scratched the surface. We want you to understand that there are layers behind every simple talking point the media spews out at the kids and the impressionable. Even if you still don't agree, we want you to realize that things aren't as simple as some make it out to be, nor as black and white.

Don't worry Jiken, the whole point of this forum is to start debtae and seeing as how you've had over 20 replies in about 2 days or so you've done a bloody good job at doing just that! SO you've done well :)

Thank you guys.I'm gonna start taking it one day at a time now,it can only help.Oh and maybe I'll start looking into this world. And I tottaly agree with you guys.