3. Be nice - Don't be going and posting things like "OMG your comic is lame PLEASE DIE IN A ROADSIDE DITCH AND DECOMPOSE" in other people's topics. It's okay to provide constructive criticism, but flaming is a no-no. Be respectful, people.

Guys, I hate to say it, but it's been getting a bit out of hand. Please: even though a sprite comic may rape your eyeballs and be incredibly poor quality, doesn't mean you have to gripe about it. If you don't like it, don't read it. (Or critique it, if the thread is labelled as such.) But seriously: not the place, guys. If you want to rip apart at these guys' comicular flesh, go do it somewhere else.

Yeah, I guess we did get a bit outta hand...

Outta foot for me.

"If you don't like it, don't read it."
yeah, thats the standard tag-line all spritecomics use, the Drunk duck site does not have that text anywhere.

I assume we are allowed to vote and crit even if we dont like a comic.

VegaX
I assume we are allowed to vote and crit even if we dont like a comic.

Certainly you can. Just don't say it was "because it is a Sprite", or "OMG sPRITES ARE TEH SUCK". Be specific with your critique, just like any other comic you would review.

And also (this is not directed anyone specific) don't rate lower than you normally would because others have rated what you think is too high. Just try and be fair.

That's all we ask. :wink:

VegaX
"If you don't like it, don't read it."yeah, thats the standard tag-line all spritecomics use, the Drunk duck site does not have that text anywhere.

Well, I gotta wonder, if you don't like it, then why are you reading it?

9.99999999% of sprite comic authors will never be successful because of the medium they choose. They know this. They will only be successful if they cross over to another, more artistic form of comic.

IMO, Sprite comics are pretty obviously made by people who:

• 1. Are testing things out (figuring how to make real comic art/backgrounds/stories)
  2. Are craving attention.
  3. Just want to network with people with the same tastes/likes
  Either way, they’re not really hurting anyone, so what’s the big deal?
  
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The big deal is the fact they are flooding absoloutley everywhere and are absoloutley horrible. there Isn't anther type of comic which has such consistantly low quality, nor is there another type that breaks quite so many copyright and content protection laws. All of this would be excusable if there weren't alot of them, but they are everywhere and there just seem to be more and more of them. Now apprently it isn't even alright to talk about ways to deal with the ream of bullshit we are subjected to at the hands of sprite comics, on top of that we apparently have to respect them dispite their blatant thievery of reources they didnt make. Great.

Wether or not they become succesful isnt the point. the point is they are glogging up the place with their insane numbers.

There IS a reason why other comic sites, like "comic genesis", have forbidden sprite comics.

And we are seeing the start of that reason right now at DD.

Mimarin
The big deal is the fact they are flooding absoloutley everywhere and are absoloutley horrible. there Isn't anther type of comic which has such consistantly low quality, nor is there another type that breaks quite so many copyright and content protection laws. All of this would be excusable if there weren't alot of them, but they are everywhere and there just seem to be more and more of them. Now apprently it isn't even alright to talk about ways to deal with the ream of bullshit we are subjected to at the hands of sprite comics, on top of that we apparently have to respect them dispite their blatant thievery of reources they didnt make. Great.

Wether or not they become succesful isnt the point. the point is they are glogging up the place with their insane numbers.

I assume you mean there are a lot in the top lists? That's because they all have a little network to vote themselves UP. If you tire from this, go to the comic and rate it FAIRLY. That doesn't mean you rate it a 1, and say "this sucks because it's sprite". You just need to have a LEGITIMATE criticism of the comic.

"Blatant thievery" is not your fight. If the corporations that owned those images gave a damn, then they'd force us to take it down. But they don't, and they won’t. The images are pretty much public access once they hit the internet. But hey, if you want to crusade against sprites for the "blatant thievery", be my guest, and contact the corporations.

LOTS of comics are derivative, not just sprites. In fact, there are comics that have characters from Final Fantasy, or World of Warcraft, to name a few. These comics may be distinguished from sprite comics because they are hand-drawn, but it still takes away your "Thievery" argument.

...And NO, it isn't fair to talk about purging them from a database, just because you find them annoying. If we did that, it would only be a matter of time before MANGA was next.

VegaX
There IS a reason why other comic sites, like "comic genesis", have forbidden sprite comics.

And we are seeing the start of that reason right now at DD.

True, and Comic Genesis has an ELITISM that DD does not. They have their own little groups of people that decide what is "worthy". Not only that, but you can't make a comic account instantly, because you are subject to scrutiny.

Drunk Duck is about COMMUNITY, first and foremost. The comics come second. A very important second, but second none the less. That's why people WHO CAN'T EVEN DRAW come here and make friends, learn techniques, etc. If you want an elitist database, I recommend Comic Genesis or another database like it.

Does this mean that I persoanlly LIKE Sprite comics? No. But I'll defend thier existance.

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Drunk Ducks offical word on "art theft" is that we are NOT RESPONSIBLE for content on ANY account, and if someone THAT OWNS the images complains (and can prove it), we'll take it down. We have not yet heard from the creators of Kirby and Megaman.

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SpANG!
Comic Genesis has an ELITISM that DD does not. They have their own little groups of people that decide what is "worthy".

Which was the reason why I left. It's very tricky to "fit in" with those guys, unlike good old DD.

BACK ON THE TOPIC TRAIN: DrunkDuck is about letting Average Joe Webperson get their comic published on the internet. There's no quality standards, and that can be a good or bad thing however you view it. On the flip side, DD also allows for that magical thing called viewer feedback, which is usually uncensored; people can say whatever they want about someone's comic.

But just because you can say something, doesn't mean you always should.

It's always better to tell someone how to improve than saying "screw this you suck go die spriter". I think that there's always a way for anything to improve, no matter how bad you perceive it to be, and that's what you should be doing: helping people improve, not hating on people.

NOTE: This also goes both ways. Whenever you put your work on DrunkDuck, it IS subject to criticism, and a flaw that a lot of spriters suffer from is the belief that their work is infallible and is the end all be all. It's not. Learn to accept people's comments, and know that they're not just criticising you because you're a spriter: they're criticising you because your art's not all it could be, and you need to improve. It's a two-way street, guys.

Also, I'd like to reiterate the fact that the voting system fails to function if people don't vote honestly. Don't downvote a comic just because it's a sprite comic; and don't upvote it just because you're a rabid fan who thinks that Joe Comicmaker is god.

This is why i didn't origionally suggest removing sprite comics in my suggestion topic, an option to just ignore all sprite comics from the toplists would be good enough, let sprite comics get published on the internet, but for the love of god don't make us look at them.

Now i know nobody forces anyone to read sprite comics, but they are everywhere anywhere you click there is a sprite comic, alot people would have a more enjoyable experience on drunk duck if they could just choose to exclude sprite comics from the toplists.

Pixie

Drunk Ducks offical word on "art theft" is that we are NOT RESPONSIBLE for content on ANY account, and if someone THAT OWNS the images complains (and can prove it), we'll take it down. We have not yet heard from the creators of Kirby and Megaman.

Ah, I see. I do apologise, Spang, but I hope you also see my point. I find it rather depressing that Drunk Duck would take such a hands off approach to art theft, given that it is so widespread, not to mention the affect it might have on the artist in question, and the insulting nature of it.

Also, the implication that my work also stops being my property once it hits the internet is... something that saddens me. Primarily because there are art sites which seem to allow this to go unchecked. Though I'm certain this is of no great consequence to anyone, I will certainly think twice before posting my work on drunk duck again.

I understand that you take this stance in order to save man hours hunting down thieves, and also to remove yourself from legal responsibility should the unthinkable happen (and some major corporation does decide to complain). While this is completely understandable from a business point of view, it's a disappointing reflection of the online art world at present that artists themselves would make little or no effort to prevent online art theft, purely because the work stolen does not belong to them. Art communities have always struck me as very friendly, helpful little boards usually devoted to mutual aid, and no small part of this is the support artists offer one another, including prevention of art theft. I suppose drunk duck is not among that number, and though I understand perfectly why that might be, I find it rather depressing.

What about Start Trek fans that write fiction novels with characters form star trek? What about fan art? What of you avatar? I know you drew it, but it is Death from Sandman, right? The concept and Image is not owned by you. Did you get permission from Neil Gaiman?
Of course not, it's an homage, because you're a fan. Sprite comicers are also fans of the games they play. So be it.

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Mimarin
Now i know nobody forces anyone to read sprite comics, but they are everywhere anywhere you click there is a sprite comic, alot people would have a more enjoyable experience on drunk duck if they could just choose to exclude sprite comics from the toplists.

Quite right.
Although there might be no need to exterminate all sprite comics, it DOES get pretty damn annoying when 3/5 of all new comics that i click are of a pixelated horror known as the sprite comic.

As i said before, its getting hard to find all the diamonds because of all the shit.

i personally agree with lukee, half the reason is i used to be a sprite comic artist because it was something i was into at the time, and the other reason is this constant bashing of these kinds of comics is getting on my nerves. *waits paitently for flamers that will be ignored*

Locked because we don't need 3 threads for this. Please go to the D&D thread if you'd like to argue/not listen to each other futher.

http://www.drunkduck.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3539

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I have been asked by a few of my friends why I do sprite comics considering if I wanted to (and wasn't so lazy) I could do a hand drawn comic. At first the main reason was because to do a hand drawn comic at the time would have taken more time then I could have done (I was in college, and college eats all your time up) and sprite comics was a nice alternitive. I had photosho so I had most of the sprites ready for me to use, and I got the backgrounds so all I needed to really do was think up a story.

Now a days I do it because I still love making my comic.

And people who think sprite comics are quick to make are right and wrong on that assumption.

Yes if I wanted to I probably could wip a comic out in 10 minutes like in the past BUT now a days each of my comics range from 30 minutes-1 hour and 30 minutes to make. Give a little bit of credit to some sprite comic authors. Though the medium has been done may times before some of us take it as seriously as hand drawing it.

And that week I handdrew my comic I found myself spending less time that week devoted to my comic then my normal weeks when I do it as a sprite.

Besides I'm not actually doing the comic to get super famous (like 8 bit). I do it because I like doing it. If it gets that popular in the process, it's a nice bonus. I've always made it because I liked doing it.

PS: Though my sprite Candy/solarsun IS a neptune recolor it took me four hours to recolor it even with my mad skillz of photoshop. :P

What if someone really can't draw? What if they don't have a scanner? What if they want to make a nice little comic but don't have much experience? Would you really turn all these people away?

All I'm saying is that, yeah, it's fine to not like some sprite comics. But try to ban them all, even though it bans some people from ever making a good comic? That's crazy talk.

Drawing is a skill that can be developed. Scanners can be bought for around $40-60 dollars, which if your serious about making a comic shouldn't be a big setback.

Most spriters aren't serious though. Which is why their comics usually suck.

strong414bad
All I'm saying is that, yeah, it's fine to not like some sprite comics. But try to ban them all, even though it bans some people from ever making a good comic? That's crazy talk.

I doubt sprite comics will ever be banned here, but they are in some other places on the net. ;) Most spriters aren't serious though. Which is why their comics usually suck.The same could be said for a good portion of the drawn comics out there. Sprites are an easy target.
Is there a good reason why this thread is unlocked?

Not that I can see... I'll re-lock it. :)