Uh yeah. We need a drama clean-up in aisle seven? Stat.

Keneticlopx
Fuck you Zaymac.

2 out of 5 of my created posts are complaints, that is not a majority.

And you don't have to post, or even read this post so please,

Fuck off any time you like
But I will not be nice to you here.

You need to calm the heck down.
All he's saying is that you've been posting complaints about webcomics.
No need to tell him to "fuck off".

That will only get you banned.

Keneticlopx
Fuck you Zaymac.

2 out of 5 of my created posts are complaints, that is not a majority.

And you don't have to post, or even read this post so please,

Fuck off any time you like
But I will not be nice to you here.

LOL.

This made me laugh hysterically. Unlike Squircle. :(

Sorry, but you had that one coming.

Hey Zene if you stopped reading bad webcomics you wouldn't have the problem of finding garbage you didn't like. It's not like anyone is forcing you to read crap.

Hahahaha, ok then.
Take shots at my comic, really?

It's just a post talking about people that break the 4th wall.
Ok, some people dont care, good for them. You people can read other posts then, obviously they dont care about me OR MY COMIC so go away.

And seriously dude, why make fun of my comic?

I didn't make fun of yours, and i'm not going to because drawing and humor is something that is built up, so wtf?

Make fun of a talent i dont have?

Ok, whatever.
This post is for me then, everyone else can go away, how about that?
Would you like that?
If nobody read my comic because its not funny and dont listen to me because im dumb?
That would make everyone happy.

Screw off dude. Make fun of me at least, because i know i can't draw, alright?

I posted one complaint, breaking of the fourth wall excessively.
The other one is about people just talking about their webcomics, it has nothing to do with the comic itself.

And like that one guy said, you dont have to read comics, just like you dont have to read posts.

Keneticlopx
Hahahaha, ok then.
Take shots at my comic, really?

It's just a post talking about people that break the 4th wall.
Ok, some people dont care, good for them. You people can read other posts then, obviously they dont care about me OR MY COMIC so go away.

And seriously dude, why make fun of my comic?

I didn't make fun of yours, and i'm not going to because drawing and humor is something that is built up, so wtf?

Make fun of a talent i dont have?

Ok, whatever.
This post is for me then, everyone else can go away, how about that?
Would you like that?
If nobody read my comic because its not funny and dont listen to me because im dumb?
That would make everyone happy.

Screw off dude. Make fun of me at least, because i know i can't draw, alright?

Why are you being so defensive? I didn't make fun of your comic. I didn't even mention your comic. I haven't even read your comic. I wouldn't know your comic's name if I didn't see it in the signature.

I wouldn't mind seeing some examples of breaking the fourth wall that you think is terrible because I haven't read anything that does on a consistent basis.

As far as my opinion on it, it's just a form of humor.

list of humor types [library.thinkquest.org]

Like all humor, it works best when the writer knows the basic building blocks of humor: introduction, buildup, climax. I would read an entire comic about characters speaking to the reader as long as it was written well.

I'm not talking to you :spin:




(And now another person hates me :()

Keneticlopx
I'm not talking to you :spin:




(And now another person hates me :()

well you should really quote who you're talking to!

Keneticlopx

zaymac
This made me laugh hysterically. Unlike Squircle.

Just.....god, really?
Attack my comic? The one thing i made and like?

Well, you did tell the guy to eff off.
So naturally, he wanted to say something that would hurt you.

I didn't say he was a terrible person or call him anything.
I mean why the hell?
I got pissed off cause im not negative and some people are on the opposite side of him in the convo, and he was one of those people that say mean things and just say LOL that made me laugh what you said but i say something mean too.

some people- quit overreacting
other people- quit taking potshots
every people- gracefully move on

I'm not the nice police, but we don't need flamewars here.

If this thread isn't beyond saving maybe we can get back on topic?

skoolmunkee
some people- quit overreacting
other people- quit taking potshots
every people- gracefully move on

I'm not the nice police, but we don't need flamewars here.

If this thread isn't beyond saving maybe we can get back on topic?

Agreed.

But in all honesty, I have never read about a story comic doing it seriously. Only story comics and or strips doing it for comedic effect.
Has anybody read one that does it seriously?

The closest I can think of in 4-th wall breaking being done seriously is in the instance where a narrator is talking to the reader... but the in-comic characters remain oblivious.

I could see a noir detective comic breaking the fourth wall as a matter of course because the book tradition allows for first person memoir style writing. But it would be the main character thinking 'aloud' and not with the intention of interacting with the readership in any manner.

Fourth wall breakage is much like the old single panel cartoon of the ski lines in the snow going around on either side of the tree. How many cartoonists have tackled that classic over the decades? Countless probably.

Fourth wall breakage can probably always be done for humorous effect and probably always will be, but it can only be done with certain types of humor based strips or comics and probably only once in a while without turning and biting the cartoonist on the rump.

Edit: You know I say that but now that I think about it a really clever cartoonist probably could create a long running fourth wall breaker of a strip if he or she wanted to and create a serious and permanent fan base. It's probably a bad idea to say that 'it can't be done' when one is talking about humor.

I once had an idea for a mind-screwy story in which the characters each make up their own little tales... And then reality breaks down. Their characters come to life, and the "real world" characters become aware that they aren't controlling their own lives, and that others are watching them. Why? Because I wanted to do a total mind-screw story.

I had forgotten about it until this thread reminded me. Now I wanna make it into a comic. :)

I've broken the fourth wall a few times before. Like here , here , or here .

Usually any type of mentioning "the comic" is also breaking the wall.
I guess i just find it kind of weird that people can't grip onto the fake reality ALL the time. Why do people find a must to notice us?
I mean, yes it is just for laughs, but that's what alot of comic strips are for, yes? Can't they attempt to be funny AND not break the fourth wall? Please?

Keneticlopx
Usually any type of mentioning "the comic" is also breaking the wall.
I guess i just find it kind of weird that people can't grip onto the fake reality ALL the time. Why do people find a must to notice us?
I mean, yes it is just for laughs, but that's what alot of comic strips are for, yes? Can't they attempt to be funny AND not break the fourth wall? Please?

Most comic strips I see don't break the fourth wall.
What's so bad about it anyway? Just wondering.

Ryuthehedgewolf, it's a cartooning gimmick and just like any gimmick some people like it and some people don't and it's also easy to over use it or to do it in such a clumsy manner that you can almost hear the audience groan in pain.

Some famous mainstream newspaper cartoonists did it such as Breathed and Watterson. So it's just another technique or gimmick and its success or failure depends on the cartoonist and his or her readership. Oh, and as mentioned elsewhere it really needs to be restricted most of the time to humor strips.

Keneticlopx
Usually any type of mentioning "the comic" is also breaking the wall.
I guess i just find it kind of weird that people can't grip onto the fake reality ALL the time. Why do people find a must to notice us?
I mean, yes it is just for laughs, but that's what alot of comic strips are for, yes? Can't they attempt to be funny AND not break the fourth wall? Please?

sorry man, think they're gonna keep doin it anyways though. but they told me they'd stop if you gave em a dollar.

I've just finished reading Casanova (which is a print comic) and it has 4th wall breaking bits, for example characters jumping out with sentences like "hi, I'm the guy you saw last in issue #4".

Worked for me.

Breaking the forth wall is over done, I agree.
But there are comics that don't go down this road.
I'm happy to report that in my comic the aforementioned wall remains entirely complete and intact!

It's just a discussion Wolf.
Not everything has to be a question and answer,
or have a clause(i think that's the right word).
We talk about it because it happens, and i see who all sees it, k?

Oh God. Now I'm so very tempted to write a comic where the characters do nothing but break the 4th wall...metaphorically and physically....

I would read it ^_^

I don't have a problem with comics that break the fourth wall, as long as it is funny. Just breaking the wall itself is not funny. There has to be a certain originality to the scene.

I only REALLY have done this once.
http://www.drunkduck.com/George_the_Dragon/index.php?p=341100
And the strip after that goes into the problems inherent in breaking the 4th wall.

One other time I break one of the interior comic walls but don't really acknowledge it IN comic.

It IS a comic trope that is a trifle overdone, but not wholly without merit. Just like the "Peasant who becomes King", it can be done well or badly. It really depends on the author/artist.

Love that new avatar Skullbie......lol

LIZARD_B1TE
I once had an idea for a mind-screwy story in which the characters each make up their own little tales... And then reality breaks down. Their characters come to life, and the "real world" characters become aware that they aren't controlling their own lives, and that others are watching them. Why? Because I wanted to do a total mind-screw story.

That sounds really interesting. I love mindscrew stuff. >:D I too want you to make it into a comic... NOW!

so if you were reading a comic and were thinking "hey this is great stuff" and then when suddenly a character breaks the 4th wall think "ah screw that it sucks now" and stop reading? just curious

Nergal
so if you were reading a comic and were thinking "hey this is great stuff" and then when suddenly a character breaks the 4th wall think "ah screw that it sucks now" and stop reading? just curious

I keep reading, but I'd totally agree with most of that.

If I'm entranced by a narrative or character, I'll be thinking about the story really seriously, but then a character will mention "the readers" or comment that "_____ already happened in issue 2" or something and it's like loudly yelling "These are artificial characters in an artificial world!" Totally breaks the spell.