http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/OUsy3K2zQpM

Looks like the next Sonic game is going to be a 2D sidescroller (I'm presuming), much like the old Genesis days.

I haven't played a Sonic game in a looonnggg time. I've seen them played, and they look pretty boring and hokey to me, that's about it.

This on the other hand sounds like it'd be a nice flashback with smoother graphics involved. What would really make it great is if they brought back two-player, I don't care if the second player goes off the screen sometimes, that was one of the biggest reasons I liked the early Sonic games! XO Some semblance of the old music wouldn't hurt either.

In other news I love how 2D games look lately. They should make more of them.

In all seriousness, this game will suck and no one will be surprised. I expect nothing from this.

Sonic Unleashed could have been the comeback game for Sonic if they hadn't added that cruddy werehog part in it. The fast segments were great.

Just from the premise, I feel like they're doing more of what the fans have been asking for in the last decde. I'm not really one of those types that things that the fans know absolutely what's best for the system, but I think that Sonic Team would do well to just copy whatever the fans want. It may not be ideal, but it's still better than whatever Sonic Team manages to come up with on their own....

Well, I believe in franchises returning to glory... NFS Shift is a great example. So who knows... we'll know a lot more by E3-2010.

I'd rather have an Unleashed 2 than this to be honest...

ShinuZero
I'd rather have an Unleashed 2 than this to be honest...

Hahahahahahaha! Oh you funny guy you, you are a funny guy! Ha-ha-ha.

Eirikr

ShinuZero
I'd rather have an Unleashed 2 than this to be honest...

Hahahahahahaha! Oh you funny guy you, you are a funny guy! Ha-ha-ha.

The speed stages in Unleashed far surpassed the gameplay of the old Genesis games. I'm probably the biggest Sonic fanboy around and even I realize that. If they made a second game and dropped the werehog, it'd be ACE.

ShinuZero

Eirikr

ShinuZero
I'd rather have an Unleashed 2 than this to be honest...

Hahahahahahaha! Oh you funny guy you, you are a funny guy! Ha-ha-ha.

The speed stages in Unleashed far surpassed the gameplay of the old Genesis games. I'm probably the biggest Sonic fanboy around and even I realize that. If they made a second game and dropped the werehog, it'd be ACE.

If they dropped the werehog it would almost literally be this, Project Needlemouse.

Hahaha Sonic lolol

Then again, if they manage to make a good Sonic game, good for them. Just don't get excited. Ever.

lefarce
I think whats funnier is that SEGA wants to release a blu-ray collection of all the old GOOD Sonic games for 100$.

Yes, 100$ for 16-bit sonic games. What a steal. In case you guys havent figured it out yet with all the post-dreamcast Sonic titles, and their unwillingness to port Yakuza 3, SEGA has turned their business plan from making great games to shitting down people's throats for a good laugh.

Thanks Sega. Thega.

Didn't they announce a Yakuza 3 port?

Also, Valkyria Chronicles.

Not that Sega isn't retarded as shit, but they're not absolutely worthless.

I played the Sonic Unleashed demo on PS3 and didn't enjoy it at all, and it was one of the speed levels. The controls were not very tight, the rail-sliding was ripped directly from Ratchet and Clank, and mid-air quicktime events made no sense. However, the reason I didn't enjoy it is probably more linked to the fact that I've never really enjoyed the Sonic games, even when they were good. I like for things to be slightly slower and involve more strategy. Sonic's focus on reflexes and reaction time never quite meshed with me.

Lord Shplane
Not that Sega isn't retarded as shit, but they're not absolutely worthless.

It's less Sega as a company so much as Sonic Team in particular. Sonic team is basically a group that Sega forces to produce Sonic games on a tight schedule and refuses to let them work on anything other than Sonic games. Ex members have talked about how it's basically the worst job you can get at Sega, since its rife with the most executive meddling and has the least room for creative expression.

So, yeah... I guess Sega as a company is kind of retarded, since they rely on their most famous property as more of a cash cow than as a representative of their company. If their most well known games are shit, then people just aren't going to trust the company.



As far as Unleashed goes, I think it was definitely a step in the right direction, except for the Werehog thing. I think the controls were still just too loose, and the level design wasn't very good. It's a real challenge, though, to design a playable platformer at that speed, so I don't really hold it against them. I actually think the level designs for Sonic and the Secret Rings was better, though the controls were much, much worse.

Eirikr

ShinuZero

Eirikr

ShinuZero
I'd rather have an Unleashed 2 than this to be honest...

Hahahahahahaha! Oh you funny guy you, you are a funny guy! Ha-ha-ha.

The speed stages in Unleashed far surpassed the gameplay of the old Genesis games. I'm probably the biggest Sonic fanboy around and even I realize that. If they made a second game and dropped the werehog, it'd be ACE.

If they dropped the werehog it would almost literally be this, Project Needlemouse.

But it wouldn't because there was more to Unleashed than 3D moving on a 2D plane...

lefarce
The fact that they have to dick around because oh no its so expensive to give a game a localization is a pretty big slap to the face considering how much they spend on shitty sonic titles.

True.

lefarce
Also Valkyria Chronicles was a pretty lackluster excuse for a tactical RPG.

I disagree on the grounds that you are wrong.

lefarce

Lord Shplane
I disagree on the grounds that you are wrong.

Owned it, beat it, ranged from being super easy to retardidly cheap. Regardless I only ever lost one troop in the line of battle. Boy that sure was fun just winning everything.

Also the story was profoundly boring.

EDIT: I traded it in for 12 bucks to buy a charger for my PSP so I could play FF: Tactics because its the better game anyway

EDIT EDIT: THen I named my mage Lady GaGa and went around killing wild goblins

It was pretty easy in the campaign. Like the whole campaign. Pretty ridiculous if you play the Hard or EX-Hard skirmishes though. I wouldn't say "Cheap" besides a few of the EX ones.

As to whether or not FFT is better... I 'dunno. I liked them both a lot. It's hard to compare them though, when they run on pretty much entirely different systems. They're only loosely related in that they're both "Strategy" games.

Yeah man that train mission wasnt cheap at all :V

lefarce

Lord Shplane
Didn't they announce a Yakuza 3 port?

Also, Valkyria Chronicles.

Not that Sega isn't retarded as shit, but they're not absolutely worthless.

The fact that they have to dick around because oh no its so expensive to give a game a localization is a pretty big slap to the face considering how much they spend on shitty sonic titles.

Also Valkyria Chronicles was a pretty lackluster excuse for a tactical RPG.

Someone
The speed stages in Unleashed far surpassed the gameplay of the old Genesis games. I'm probably the biggest Sonic fanboy around and even I realize that.

Of course you'll think the stages are orgasmic if you're "the biggest sonic fanboy around" you dolt. Everyone else with a more subjective view realizes that they controlled like shit. Man oh man there is nothing better than having 1ups thrust upon you as a warning that the following segment is going to be grossly unfair due to poor level design.

christ almighty

Well supposedly the core fans are loyal to the 2D games, but I think they just have their nostalgia goggles on. I had no trouble with the controls though, it was simple enough.

lefarce
I was a pretty big fan of the 2D games, but my God I can put personal bias aside and look at the games objectively. Its not that hard to realize how poorly put together Unleashed way. The gameplay faults massively outweigh it's pros.

The daytime stages were a huge step in the right direction though. Most of the 2D games were HOLD RIGHT TO WIN, at least the daytime stages had some variety. There was some poor design though and like you said they pretty much acknowledged that with the whole 1up right before a retarded section but I think if they focused on that type of gameplay for another game it'd be good. Although Sega hasn't been making any good decisions lately.

I disagree on the grounds that you are wrong.

I gotta agree with lefarce on that one. Valkyria Chronicles was basically Sakura Taisen only missing 3/4 of the game. Sega basically stripped out most of what made the previous series popular in favor of making the game more "American friendly." Unfortunately, there wasn't enough left over to really make a great game. It's kind of sad that Sega never grew the balls to release Sakura Taisen in the US so now Nippon Ichi is doing it instead.

lefarce
Man oh man there is nothing better than having 1ups thrust upon you as a warning that the following segment is going to be grossly unfair due to poor level design.

christ almighty

I am awfully glad to know I'm not the only one who felt like I was about to get turkeyslapped every time I saw a 1up right out in the open where you can't help but get it.

Shinusomething
The daytime stages were a huge step in the right direction though.

Hold dash. Do quicktime event. Beat level.

lolno

ShinuZero

lefarce
I was a pretty big fan of the 2D games, but my God I can put personal bias aside and look at the games objectively. Its not that hard to realize how poorly put together Unleashed way. The gameplay faults massively outweigh it's pros.

The daytime stages were a huge step in the right direction though. Most of the 2D games were HOLD RIGHT TO WIN, at least the daytime stages had some variety. There was some poor design though and like you said they pretty much acknowledged that with the whole 1up right before a retarded section but I think if they focused on that type of gameplay for another game it'd be good. Although Sega hasn't been making any good decisions lately.

Are you kidding? The old games were amazing. The new games, those are the ones that are hold right to win.
Well, hold right to wi--OH YOU FELL ON SOME SPIKES TOUGH LUCK START AGAIN.

The 3D games were all shit. "DON'T WORRY PINK FAIRY LADY, I'LL HELP YOU. I PROMISE. PINKY PROMISE~"
(Expect the 2 adventures, those were actually pretty good.)

It doesn't help that they also gave Sonic a personality (A bad one.)

The new game probably won't be that good, unless they really try hard to emulate the Genesis games. Either way, I'll probably either wait for reviews, or not buy it because it won't come out on any system I own. :(

lefarce
I kinda agree though, they were a step in the right direction in the sense that I had more fun playing them than I did anything else since Sonic Adventure 2.

Still doesnt mean they were great by any means. A turd by another stink, I guess.

Someone
Most of the 2D games were HOLD RIGHT TO WIN

Are we playing the same games? Youre literally the first person I've ever met who has tried to argue that the modern games are better than the classic 2D titles, mostly because the only one who shares this opinion is the voice inside your head. What is that like?

The genesis games are SOLID. They are the most solid Sonic games ever to be released. Unleashed itself isn't solid, there is A LOT wrong with the game. The part that they do get right though, I feel is more fun than the genesis games.

How much fun you have with something is subjective and has no bearing on the objective quality of the game.

As far as I am concerned Sonic never left the Genesis. It's funny that they kept trying even after the miserable pile of fuck that was Sonic 3D on the Genesis. That game alone was a warning to break it off whilst Sonic maintained its credibility.












Also
Langrisser>.

This is all I have to say about the new Sonic games.

Rich
How much fun you have with something is subjective and has no bearing on the objective quality of the game.

HOw much fun I have rolling around in a pile of dog shit is subjective and has no bearing on the objective quality of the dog shit.

ya like it? - betelgeuse

lefarce
I think whats funnier is that SEGA wants to release a blu-ray collection of all the old GOOD Sonic games for 100$.

like sonic adventure 2,1,sonic jam,STH,STH2,STH3,SSTH?

Nice month gravedig there. Smart move. Great post #1.