It seems that these online game are set up wrong in many different ways that Runescape you can't even say .com what wrong with that and W.O.W what with the magic card that you pay 30.00$ for and you get like a little bit over a month and for what to die over and over again than go on random quest you know what am saying say what you think about this subject.PEOPLE NOW A DAYS

I am fully aware of the shitfullness of the massively multiplayer online roleplaying games that are so popular among the youth and basement dwellers of today's society. I do not need you to remind me.

dammit! i almost forgot about runescape...upp.....




gross.

Sea_Cow
I am fully aware of the shitfullness of the massively multiplayer online roleplaying games that are so popular among the youth and basement dwellers of today's society. I do not need you to remind me.

/thread

Played Runescape for a few months, got bored.
Never got Wow
Dragon quest, that was cool for about a month, but then got boring
Never heard of Wizard 101.

Also, this would be better in games discussion...

EDIT: It appears LaG already /'d this thread, now my post is an emo. ;_;

This guy is always putting threads in strange places... I suspect him of deviancy. >:(

THE D_KING95
W.O.W what with the magic card that you pay 30.00$ for and you get like a little bit over a month and for what to die over and over again than go on random quest

The only reason you'd be dying over and over again in WoW is if you rolled on a PvP server in which case you asked for it, or your grossly incompetent... seriously.

My major interest in WoW is the lore, Azeroth has an interesting story which piques interests of mine.

Mind you right now I'm playing City of Heroes/Villains (I only have one online game subscription active at any point in time) I'm mostly playing that though because my boyfriend wanted to go back and play it, plus the character editor on that game is fun in of it's self.

The only other online game still on my list of things I play is Kingdom of Loathing which while other players are present and you can give each other stuff it plays as a single player adventure, quite humorous too.

I just paid $13 to have played FFXI a total of 3 hours this past month...

I get bored so easily on such MMOs. I can't keep it up at that price.

The really sad thing is that it really isn't that hard to make games like this more involved. Developers just prefer to go for the quick buck since they assume fans of the genre don't want anything deeper than the next grindfest.

I used to play Runescape...


Before I had a life.


Seriously, what's the deal with MMORPG's? They're just a bunch of shitty graphics with shitty missions and shitty characters with shitty plotlines, and are good for nothing except wasting your time and money.

A lot of video games could be described like that, Walrus. :D

I play WoW, but not religiously. I've stopped for over a year before and I'll probably do so again when my account lapses in a few weeks. You really have to make your own goals in these games. The biggest downsides I have are as thus:

MMORPG players are largely, obnoxious, selfish, and negative. You take the innate cowardice of internet interaction and give them a semblance of a bigger world filled with imbalanced number based play, and you get a 12+ something brat hitting his own levels of Jeff K super-saiyanism.

There is no real accomplishment to be had within the game itself. Your own goals aside, monsters respawn, many people wind up with the 'unique' or 'legendary' items, and changes to the scenario are mostly transient. MMOs give the illusion of advancement quite well, disguising a very static environment for a dynamic one.

Customer service is not equivalent to the money a powerful company makes. In WoW, the GMs are alright, but their responses are largely wooden and scripted. They may or may not be useful. Forum wise, they're completely useless and sometimes, as angsty as the player base.

And lastly? I just don't like relying on other people to need to get things done. Mediocre players, the perpetually ignorant, gloryhounds, etc, find a good guild early or you'll be forced to deal with the server's player flotsam more often.

In regards to all those things, FFXI appears to be one of the better (or even best) of the MMOs. Players are nice (though I even seem to be shy on MMOs, which describes my caliber of impersonal social loserness a bit), GMs are quick and responsive and nice, they actually add interesting storylines and advancements... But it's so expensive to play. Maybe justifiably, but it's a bit much for me to keep playing, and it's still as slow as every other MMO. (I'm just finding a hard time justifying to myself playing the game all day only to rise a couple of levels and obtain nothing else when I could be playing Persona or reading or working on portfolio.)

Walrus
I used to play Runescape...


Before I had a life.


Seriously, what's the deal with MMORPG's? They're just a bunch of shitty graphics with shitty missions and shitty characters with shitty plotlines, and are good for nothing except wasting your time and money.

BUT IT IS SO L33T AND H4X LOL XD!!!!!!! LEEEEEEROY JENKINS LOL!!! HES SO KOOL LOL JK JK IDK MY BFF JILL

Shade
[Mind you right now I'm playing City of Heroes/Villains (I only have one online game subscription active at any point in time) I'm mostly playing that though because my boyfriend wanted to go back and play it, plus the character editor on that game is fun in of it's self.

I guess I'm not the only one who's got a secret identity... *just kidding*

It's still a blast just taking the time to plant a ton of mines in a room, then luring your unwitting enemies into them... one of the perks of playing a Tech/Blaster :)

MMOs are pretty monotonous but I can see why people play them. They CAN be fun, especially if you play with people you know in real life. I used to play WoW and me and a group of my friends quested together and all that. There's the exploration, and being together with your friends playing a coop game is fun regardless of the mediocrity.

ShinuZero
playing a coop game is fun regardless of the mediocrity.

I've noticed that myself, actually. There are some games that I love when playing in co-op that I never play single-player (quick example: zombies ate my neighbors).

Inkmonkey

ShinuZero
playing a coop game is fun regardless of the mediocrity.

I've noticed that myself, actually. There are some games that I love when playing in co-op that I never play single-player (quick example: zombies ate my neighbors).

Yep, EXCELLENT example. That game was so fun with a friend. I'm glad more developers are realizing that nowadays. Having online co-op in RE5 is going to be big, in my opinion.

THE D_KING95
It seems that these online game are set up wrong in many different ways that Runescape you can't even say .com what wrong with that and W.O.W what with the magic card that you pay 30.00$ for and you get like a little bit over a month and for what to die over and over again than go on random quest you know what am saying say what you think about this subject.PEOPLE NOW A DAYS

I wish there was a wall of text icon so that I could point out that you have a giant run on sentence in a whitty and sarcastic kind of way.

MMORPGS = Cash grab. Just make it interesting enough that people will play, but not produced well enough that it will cost a lot of money.

I got banned from Runescape within the first 5 minutes or so. Simply because I told some lad/lass (you never know) to f@!% his/her mythril axe when it asked me for money...

I didn't mind Runescape until Jagex came out with Runescape 2.

WoW became shit after 5 seconds of digestion.

Dragon Quest, no way in hell. I haven't even played it and I think it's crap.

Never heard of wizard 101.

Walrus
Seriously, what's the deal with MMORPG's? They're just a bunch of shitty graphics with shitty missions and shitty characters with shitty plotlines, and are good for nothing except wasting your time and money.

Hey, EVE Online has incredible graphics. ...And that's about it. All you do is fly around in a ship. But it's relaxing to sit and stare at that game. Would make a good screensaver.

I personally think WoW has a great storyline...every quest has a story behind it, and they all become part of the grander scheme of things . I think that's why it rose in popularity so fast; people were familiar with the story that was Warcraft III, and WoW just extended the timeline of Azeroth's history.

Ok, I'll try not to be annoying or fanboyishly thread-lock-worthy here.
See my (or Cru's) Webcomic. It's based on World of Warcraft, made using world of warcraft's graphics engine, and uses portions world of warcraft lore. That's the big deal: I can maintain a webcomic for a year using "shitty graphics" and "shitty story" (which has been denounced already).

I'm a fanboy with photoshop.

Creative endeavors notwithstanding, once you dump enough of your life in it (I've been playing WoW on-and-off since release), and get to the Serious Business endgame Co-Op dungeon running, you see why so many people are so voraciously attached to it. It's a team sport. You and your 10 closest internet-friends have your (digital) lives are in each other's hands- if you screw up, you, or someone else is going to bite it. Loners wither, idiots die (loudly, with several expletives spouted in the process), but the smart ones survive to get "phatty lootz" and a significant ego-buff. It's deeper then you think.

Plus, it seems to attract geeks like myself, so, it's social interaction (a "life", if you will) with people I can relate to. It's like asking why some teenagers text or IM constantly (take that as you will). Plus, I'm constantly immersed in the culture- my parents play, my friends play, etc.) It's a big deal, and as I said before, Serious Business.

And yes, I do have a life outside of World of Warcraft.

I was playing WoW like crazy until I got kicked out of a guild because they became elitist assholes. They said we weren't "keeping up with the guild" (there were only about 10 of them), which was ridiculous because my husband and I were better-geared than the rest of them (we both had tier 7.5 armor) and could carry crazy dps. They advertised themselves as a casual guild, when in fact they were endgame raiders, even though they could never get enough people rounded up for endgame raids and had to PUG a lot of spots. ...Bottom line is that they were close-knit friends and they seemed somehow afraid of us newcomers. They never fully explained themselves why they kicked us out, and if they had a problem with us, they never approached us with their issues.

Because of this reason, I stopped playing WoW. I was tired of elitist jerks and asshole guildies. I went back to playing City of Heroes because people are much more friendly there. It seems like all the assholes play WoW nowadays.

Never happen,never will,had it.

what makes or breaks an mmorpg experience is wether or not you make friends fast, if you do its fun if you don't its not. Ofcourse you can also tire of it (which I have of WoW and many others) I'd like to be playing WAR now but I'm too busy.

Mediocre games are often saved by the inclusion of multiplayer.

So I can only presume that MMORPG's are seriously mediocre games only being saved by a massive hive of multiplayer activity.

I find it laughable to pay monthly for ONE GAME such as World of Warcraft. Even when I was young and silly enough to play these things I only ever played the free ones.

Why do I get the feeling I'm posting in a troll thread? Anyways, I'll bite.

If WOW was a single player game, it would bomb. Hard. It would suck like a den full of crackwhores and there's only one John with handful of rocks in his backpocket. But the premise of an MMO is that you're not meant to play it alone. Of course you can't run a game like that on the unreal engine, or even the source engine, because the servers can't hack it, and most player's PC's couldn't hack it on their end either.

For people who hate MMO's, but play other games let me in turn ask this, why do you play ANY video game? You're doing the same 10 actions time and again, or delving through menu after menu and for what? A game you beat, get over with, and either let collect dust or get rid of. Rpgs? Kill these things, get this weapon, kill that boss. Shooters? Run around corner, pull trigger, take cover, reload. Sports? Get the ball and run. Racing? Let's go in a big circle again and again. Fighting games? Jump, puch, kick, counter, victory dance.

You can't say that every video game doesn't have some big grindfest, whether you cover it up with pretty graphics, an appealing story or big boobs. In the end, you're doing the same thing over and over, or rehashing the same cliche over and over. It's whether or not the grind is enjoyable, hence the induction of multiplayer and human interaction.

All the negative things people attribute to MMO's are the same things that apply to all people who dedicate too much of their life to a game, or anything really. What's so different about some 12 year old screaming about having the Ashbringer than some 12 year old talking smack because he got a headshot on me from across the courtyard with a pistol? What's so different about Mr. Bill screaming at his son for not hitting a homerun at his little league game?

If you get annoyed with others every MMO has a lovely /ignore function. If all of general chat annoys you, then /leavechannel. If you keep getting killed by others, then get off the PVP servers or areas. If you keep getting killed by NPCs either get help or go somewhere else. If you don't like the idea of paying a monthly fee for a game, then go pay $60 twice a month for a new game with the same content and controls as the last one, only it sucks twice as bad. If you find a game you like, then I find it to be a cheaper alternative to spending more money on games that you might not.

It's easy to say that the majority of people who play these games are fat, overweight losers or spoiled children, but that stereotype applies to all gamers, and we all know the truth of that matter.

Hakoshen
Stuff.

You have to dedicate so much time and effort to earn the chance to dedicate more time and effort. It's like a job, only instead of getting paid with money, you get paid with more work. With some of them, you even have to pay.

There's no real ending, so nothing gets accomplished. It doesn't matter if you helped Generic NPC #454, because he's just going to stand there with the same problem so the next player can come and solve it.

What shit are you playing that you're doing the same thing over and over? If you're being so broad, then you can apply that argument to make anything seem pointless.

And the difference between an MMORPG and a normal game is that normal games fucking end. Yes, you're 'wasting' a few hours to finish it, but after that, it's done, they don't go on for fucking ever.

Yes, and that's the appeal of it to those who appreciate it. Some people play the games waaay too much to the point where it is like a second job. I might play for an hour or two a day, and then I play other games instead.

The sense of accomplishment comes from, as stated earlier, goals you set for yourself. You want that set of armor? Then you go for it. Yay. You just want to hang around in what amounts to a chatroom and B/S with others, and maybe go play something later? Go for it. You want to beat everything the game has to offer at present? Go for it. If your sense of accomplishment can only be satisfied by beating the game and seeing the credits roll, then of course you shouldn't waste your time or your money on the game because it's not fun for you. As someone who does both however, I got just as much achievement because for clearing a dungeon in WOW as I did from beating the last boss in Eat Lead.

I'm not saying that the games I play are boring. If it was boring, I wouldn't play it. What I'm saying, and you are failing to understand, is that all games, good or otherwise boil down to doing the same things over and over. Call of duty? Awesome. Take cover, shoot, reload. Gears of war. Amazing. Take cover, shoot, reload. God of war. A+. Swing left, swing right, magic, real time button events. Fallout 3. Epic. Run around, shoot, pick up this, fix that. Grand theft auto. Drive, shoot, what the frak ever. I loved all of them, but they're all repetetive. It's whether or not you enjoy doing the same thing over and over that determines whether or not the gameplay is fun. Just because a game ends doesn't make it any better, it just means you got to beat it.

Hakoshen
I'm not saying that the games I play are boring. If it was boring, I wouldn't play it. What I'm saying, and you are failing to understand, is that all games, good or otherwise boil down to doing the same things over and over. Call of duty? Awesome. Take cover, shoot, reload. Gears of war. Amazing. Take cover, shoot, reload. God of war. A+. Swing left, swing right, magic, real time button events. Fallout 3. Epic. Run around, shoot, pick up this, fix that. Grand theft auto. Drive, shoot, what the frak ever. I loved all of them, but they're all repetetive. It's whether or not you enjoy doing the same thing over and over that determines whether or not the gameplay is fun. Just because a game ends doesn't make it any better, it just means you got to beat it.

Bullshit. Take Fallout 3 (because it's the only one on that list I actually care about), aside from 'duuur run around duuuur shoot stuff' you can pick locks, hack computers, make stuff, fight with your fists or melee weapons instead of shooting, choose different perks which can drastically change the way you play and solve various situations in a variety of ways (i.e. convincing your opponents to surrender instead of simply shooting them all). If all you do on Fallout 3 is run around and shoot stuff, then you're not playing it to it's fullest.

Edit: Oh yeah, and then there's the moral choices that are better used than in any other game that's tacked them on so far.