mapaghimagsik

subcultured
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i don't get it.

so your saying everyone should agree with their race's ideology, if they disagree, they must be a self hating their own race?

*Exactly* my point. You win teh intertubes.

Shame on you for saying Uncle Ruckus is a self-hater. He just realizes the natural superiority of the white man.

Sounds like you're hatin' on Uncle Ruckus.

*scoffs* he's nothing like that, trust me. He doesn't hate himself or "his people". He just doesn't like it when some people whip out the race card as justfication for getting thier way. "I'm black, so I demand that you give me all your money and your truck. You owe me!"
Never mind that the said black person making such demands actually came from India or some other place and never had anscensors that was slaves to start with. (yes, there are a fair amount of black people who was born in india). In fact he has told me many, many times that he felt embrassed by such people who would act like that, as it would most likely give the white racists out there more "justfication" to put down blacks. And plus it just gives a group of people a bad name when the few in the group acts like idiots.

He also dislikes it when some other people would get on his case for not even liking rap or street clothing, for being "too white". He doesn't think he's acting white at all, he thinks he's just being himself and going with what he likes instead of going with whatever fad.

In other words.. he's more like this person:
Thomas Lancaster Dubois. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubois_Family [en.wikipedia.org]

that is, if Tom was a heavy metal music lover, and often wore punkish clothing....

I have respect for people like this:

http://www.amazon.com/Stone-That-Builder-Refused-Novel/dp/037542282X

mapaghimagsik
I have respect for people like this:

http://www.amazon.com/Stone-That-Builder-Refused-Novel/dp/037542282X

So wait a mintue.... you're saying you would only have respect for blacks if they were all revolutionaries who's liberated 100 to 500,000 of his own people?

I'm sorry that you think that way, because to me I think it's pretty damn revolutionary when people dedice to go up the ladder of success and to be just themselves instead of letting others decide what they should be just based on their skin color.

so if you say that all blacks should be angry and bitter about the past, and that they all should feel that everything needs to be handed to them just because of what happened to their ansesctors.... I wonder how you would feel about all the blacks out there who doesn't want to feel that way.
Maybe they don't want people like you to dictate their behavior. Maybe they want to go out there and prove themselves to be strong-willed individuals who doesn't let history of others define who they are. Maybe they want to prove that they can be successful people without having to be rap artists for the majority of "Their people" like many people would believe? Maybe they want to prove that not all of them fit into that whole thug, ghetto sterotype... that they're just like everyone else in the fact that they have diverse tastes in everything... music, clothing, etc.

After all, not all blacks are in love with orange soda, watermelon and chicken. And certainly not all of them live in the Ghetto. Not all of them love Rap music or Hip-hop. And most of all, not all of them are bitter about the past and says things like "Hate whitey. Black power!!"

Have it ever considered to you that there is some who would rather just leave such negativity behind and just become a strong, successful person on their own power? Doesn't mean that they're forgetting the past, nor does it mean that they hate "their own kind".

Not just blacks. I have respect for people willing to fight with their fellows to better their lot. If you don't understand the history of Haiti, you might want to pick up a book or two -- or just do some online reading. Toussaint not only removed the enslaving powers from Haiti, but established a functioning government. That takes a lot.

There's lots of ways to get up the ladder of success. Not all of them are heroic. There are people who start out on third base and claim they hit a triple.

I think everyone should be realistic about their past. Anyone in this age who thinks they did everything on their own power is delusional. We live off the benefits of those beneath us and before us. And just as we can't take credit for our successes entirely, I don't think people's failings are all their fault.

Do you know job applicants with "black" sounding names are less likely to get called for an interview than Caucasian sounding names? That means for a shrinking pool of jobs, people are getting screened by the perceived color in a name. Do you think that's okay?

mapaghimagsik
Do you know job applicants with "black" sounding names are less likely to get called for an interview than Caucasian sounding names? That means for a shrinking pool of jobs, people are getting screened by the perceived color in a name. Do you think that's okay?

Nope, I don't think it's Okay. And it's not just "black-sounding" names that gets judged too... In fact any names that isn't mainstream sounding often will get judged harshly by idiots.
I remember a while ago one of my aunts were refused to work at some Sunday school as an VOLUNTEER just because she had an last name that was supposedly "vulgar-sounding". My family is Germanic-Russian... and so our last name is "Kuntz". Apparently the ladies at the Sunday school thought that when in text formant it looked too much similar to "Cunts". And well, they didn't want anybody with an name that might be vulgar in their group.

And another example of stupidity.... there was something on the news a long time ago about where a woman was cleared of a crime just because her last name was "Goode".
So just because her last name was "Goode", that had to mean that she was really a good person who couldn't had committed an crime. Rigggght. Okay, so maybe I'm exaggerating a little bit, but in the news article there was people who kept on constantly brining up her last name as to say that she was such a good person that it was even her last name... so therefore she couldn't had done the crimes at all. even if there was PSYCHICAL EVIDENCE pointing toward her as the one who did it. In the end that wasn't the main factor for her being let go, but the fact that there was people who seemed to believe that name crap, still bothers me to this day.

The moral? people will be idiots, and idiots who judge by names alone shouldn't ever be in positions of power. in fact they need to be taken outside and flogged.
Sometimes people's basis in judging names isn't about race... it's about them being dumb-ass morons who thinks that the persona of a person can be judged by thier name alone. Of course the sad part is that there IS proably people out there who thinks they can tell the race of a person just by reading thier name.

Aurora Moon

mapaghimagsik
Do you know job applicants with "black" sounding names are less likely to get called for an interview than Caucasian sounding names? That means for a shrinking pool of jobs, people are getting screened by the perceived color in a name. Do you think that's okay?

Nope, I don't think it's Okay. And it's not just "black-sounding" names that gets judged too... In fact any names that isn't mainstream sounding often will get judged harshly by idiots.
I remember a while ago one of my aunts were refused to work at some Sunday school as an VOLUNTEER just because she had an last name that was supposedly "vulgar-sounding". My family is Germanic-Russian... and so our last name is "Kuntz". Apparently the ladies at the Sunday school thought that when in text formant it looked too much similar to "Cunts". And well, they didn't want anybody with an name that might be vulgar in their group.

And another example of stupidity.... there was something on the news a long time ago about where a woman was cleared of a crime just because her last name was "Goode".
So just because her last name was "Goode", that had to mean that she was really a good person who couldn't had committed an crime. Rigggght. Okay, so maybe I'm exaggerating a little bit, but in the news article there was people who kept on constantly brining up her last name as to say that she was such a good person that it was even her last name... so therefore she couldn't had done the crimes at all. even if there was PSYCHICAL EVIDENCE pointing toward her as the one who did it. In the end that wasn't the main factor for her being let go, but the fact that there was people who seemed to believe that name crap, still bothers me to this day.

The moral? people will be idiots, and idiots who judge by names alone shouldn't ever be in positions of power. in fact they need to be taken outside and flogged.
Sometimes people's basis in judging names isn't about race... it's about them being dumb-ass morons who thinks that the persona of a person can be judged by thier name alone. Of course the sad part is that there IS proably people out there who thinks they can tell the race of a person just by reading thier name.

I can't speak for other names. The study indicated "black-sounding" names has a link
here

I couldn't find any reference to the "Goode" reference you make. Though it does seem there was a Goode involved in a motion to dismiss Dredd Scott.

http://www.tsc.state.tn.us/OPINIONS/tcca/PDF/043/goode.pdf [tsc.state.tn.us] took me a while to find records, but I did it.
of course, in this "legal document" they're much more formal and doesn't meition any of the stupdity of the people who was defending her on the stand.

Aurora Moon
http://www.tsc.state.tn.us/OPINIONS/tcca/PDF/043/goode.pdf [tsc.state.tn.us] took me a while to find records, but I did it.
of course, in this "legal document" they're much more formal and doesn't meition any of the stupdity of the people who was defending her on the stand.

I'm not the best at reading legal documents. I didn't see anything about her being on probation because of her name. On page 4, the document says "We conclude that the trial court did not abuse its discretion by ordering the defendant to serve her sentences in confinement"

It doesn't sound like she got off because of her name.

Though I was surprised how many Goode's seem to be in legal cases.

Yeah, I noticed that in google... found it werid as well. Anyway, this is kinda getting off topic...