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ozoneocean at 8:12AM, May 27, 2007
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Blu-ray's are the future as far as gaming is involved because it holds much more GB's than your average DVD disc. Giving games like Lair and Warhawk to have bigger levels where so many things are happening at once.
Blue-ray is no more the future than DVD was... What? It'll be the "future" for 2 years until the next thing comes along... HD DVD holds almost exactly the same amount of info anyway. But it's all technology in flux, we've reached no benchmarks in this area, it's still changing.
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...It's a toy, that's really all it is. Same with every other console that's ever come out.
That's so very very, very, very true. It's all about people's favourite toy.
 
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gigatwo at 8:26AM, May 27, 2007
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Do you have Vista, either? Because otherwise, Crysis isn't even going to rival the best of what's on the next gen consoles, graphically.

Actually, based on the DX9/DX10 comparisons of crysis, there isn't much of a difference at all. It's still better than anything I've seen.

Also, I don't think that there should be much of a problem at all with the advancement of PC visuals. PCs have very generic systems that contain about two cores usually, and can use DX10 cards. Neither of the consoles can run DX10, and the Xbox's 3 part proceser as well as the PS3's 7 SPE cell processor (One spe is disabled and one is saved for the OS, so it really isn't 9 SPEs). Also, the 360s GPU is like a bastard child between the ATI equivalent of a 7900 and a DX10 card. (It has Unified shaders, which is something you find on DX10 cards, but is not DX10 compatible).

On the flip side, If you don't have enough money your PC will never compete with the consoles.

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gigatwo at 8:31AM, May 27, 2007
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HD DVD holds almost exactly the same amount of info anyway.

It does still hold less though. However, it isn't proprietary like Sony's Blu-Ray, and Blu-ray reads ridiculously slow.
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isukun at 9:38AM, May 27, 2007
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I was almost sure they said that they weren't going to have SSBB be on the Wii controller.


No, they never said it wouldn't use the Wii controller. How can you make a game for a system and not support the native controller? The only thing they've said in regards to controls is they have hinted at the possibility of using the gamecube controller as an alternative. The website even uses the wii-mote as the icon for the controls section, so it will definitely support it.

HD DVD holds almost exactly the same amount of info anyway.


HD-DVD doesn't even come close to the storage capacity of Blu-Ray. A single layer on HD-DVD holds 15GB while a Blu-Ray single layer disc holds 25GB. That's a pretty sizeable difference and as the multi-layered versions advance, Blu-Ray pulls even farther ahead of HD-DVD as a storage medium. Current movie releases favor the dual layer discs in both formats making each HD-DVD disc 30GB and most Blu-Ray discs 50GB.

Actually, based on the DX9/DX10 comparisons of crysis, there isn't much of a difference at all.


What screenshots are you looking at? Look at this and this and tell me you can't see the difference. They also had a few comparison videos and the difference is pretty noticeable. Better particle effects (and more of them), naturalistic lighting vs DX9's shadow maps, there are some touches with foliage that aren't present in the DX9 version, explosions and fire effects are manipulated by the environment, plus in general there are more effects present in the DX10 version.

However, it isn't proprietary like Sony's Blu-Ray, and Blu-ray reads ridiculously slow.


HD-DVD is just as proprietary as Blu-Ray (and DVD for that matter) and actually reads slower. The transfer rate on Blu-Ray is 53.95 Mbit/s while HD-DVD is 36.55 Mbit/s. This would also account for why Blu-Ray supports a higher bitrate on the audio than HD-DVD.
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ozoneocean at 10:32AM, May 27, 2007
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HD-DVD doesn't even come close to the storage capacity of Blu-Ray. A single layer on HD-DVD holds 15GB while a Blu-Ray single layer disc holds 25GB. That's a pretty sizeable difference and as the multi-layered versions advance, Blu-Ray pulls even farther ahead of HD-DVD as a storage medium. Current movie releases favor the dual layer discs in both formats making each HD-DVD disc 30GB and most Blu-Ray discs 50GB.
HD DVD Ram holds 40GB actually, that's 20GB on a single layer... Yep, that's 5 GB less on each layer, but then that's a future release and as I said: it's technology in flux. It's also more easily backward compatible than Blue Ray (apparently), and it's region free while the other has 3 regions... :P

As for movies, well, apparently almost all Blue Ray releases before this year were single layer movie disks, so the reality is that while there are a lot of HD DVD movies at 30 gigs, most of the Blue Ray ones available will be 25 gigs. Haha, I like how you get around that by saying "current movie releases". :)

It's tech in flux though. Not like the old days of video standards where the changes weren't so great once it finally took hold. Look at it as being nothing more than transition: CD - DVD - HD DVD and Blue Ray - to whatever else is in the pipeline right now: Multilayer disks? Flash based systems? Don't expect Blu Ray and HD-DVD to be around even as long as DVD (which wasn't very long) in their current forms if at all in a few years time.
 
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Hawk at 12:15PM, May 27, 2007
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I was almost sure they said that they weren't going to have SSBB be on the Wii controller.


No, they never said it wouldn't use the Wii controller. How can you make a game for a system and not support the native controller? The only thing they've said in regards to controls is they have hinted at the possibility of using the gamecube controller as an alternative. The website even uses the wii-mote as the icon for the controls section, so it will definitely support it.


Sakurai did say in an interview at the last E3 that they were most likely keeping the Gamecube controls for SSBB, though they may include use of the Wiimote for bonus games, such as the home run derby with that sandbag. He was worried that motion controls may not mesh well with Smash Bros' gameplay. Of course, there's no reason why they can't change their mind, and that Wii-mote icon may be an indicator that they have. I'm not going to second-guess Nintendo's decisions yet, but just hope they make the right choice for Smash Bros. Brawl's controls.
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gigatwo at 12:34PM, May 27, 2007
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However, it isn't proprietary like Sony's Blu-Ray, and Blu-ray reads ridiculously slow.


HD-DVD is just as proprietary as Blu-Ray (and DVD for that matter) and actually reads slower. The transfer rate on Blu-Ray is 53.95 Mbit/s while HD-DVD is 36.55 Mbit/s. This would also account for why Blu-Ray supports a higher bitrate on the audio than HD-DVD.


Who owns the hd dvd format? (The DVD forum is more of an organization.)

I linked to a comparison video for crysis.
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isukun at 3:25PM, May 27, 2007
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HD DVD Ram holds 40GB actually, that's 20GB on a single layer...


HD-DVD RAM isn't out yet and may never hit the market. What's more, there is no word on a dual layer formt fr HD-DVD RAM, only single layer double sided. By the time we see a release on this, if we ever do, standard HD-DVD-R's and RW's will hold more.

It's also more easily backward compatible than Blue Ray (apparently), and it's region free while the other has 3 regions... :P


Backwards compatible with what? Every Blu-Ray and HD-DVD player on the market also plays DVDs, among other formats. Both support the same video and audio compression formats. If you're talking using the disc simply for data, then you really aren't making sense. Just like with DVDs, the region lock only applies to video discs and you CAN create regionless discs which play on all players.

As for movies, well, apparently almost all Blue Ray releases before this year were single layer movie disks, so the reality is that while there are a lot of HD DVD movies at 30 gigs, most of the Blue Ray ones available will be 25 gigs.


And most of the discs released after 2006 are dual layer.

Haha, I like how you get around that by saying "current movie releases".


It's not any worse than you dodging the issue by claiming the early releases were mostly 25GB. The 50GB discs weren't available when the format launched. After it became available, dual layerdiscs became the preferred medium. Still at 25GB, the discs hold between 3 and 4 hours of HD video depending on the codec used, which is usually more than enough for a movie and some extra content. HD-DVD single layer discs only hold between 1.5 and 2.5 hours of HD video. You're going to find more dual layer HD-DVDs simply because they are necessary for most films.

Don't expect Blu Ray and HD-DVD to be around even as long as DVD (which wasn't very long) in their current forms if at all in a few years time.


The home video market doesn't need larger storage capacity or new video and audio codecs. TV's aren't going to significantly change in the coming years, so I seriously doubt we're going to need higher resolution video. Just like DVD and CD, we'll see advances in the format for storage media and PC use, but I highly doubt we'll be needing anything better anytime soon for home video. Current players don't support more than two layers on discs in either format, so changing it for the home video market would be a nice "fuck you" to all the early adopters.

Sakurai did say in an interview at the last E3 that they were most likely keeping the Gamecube controls for SSBB, though they may include use of the Wiimote for bonus games, such as the home run derby with that sandbag.


Actually, what he said was that they were trying to keep the controls simple in the "gamecube style", he did not say they wouldn't use the wii remote as the default control device. He went on to talk about how they were trying to avoid using the motion sensitivity in the standard game. He had one comment about not throwing away your old gamecube controllers as a hint that they may be useable as an alternative to the standard wii remote, or perhaps it was just his way of saying the controls on the wii remote are so bad, you're going to need to use the gamecube controller as an alternative.

Who owns the hd dvd format? (The DVD forum is more of an organization.)


Just because there is not a single owner of a format (and quite frankly, Sony isn't the only invester in Blu-Ray, either, there are several other companies also in the BDA including Dell, HP, Hitatchi, LG, Matsushita, Mitsubishi, Phillips, Pioneer, Samsung, Sharp, TDK, Thompson Multimedia, and Verbatim/MKM) that doesn't make it any less proprietary. You still have to pay someone if you want to make HD-DVD drives or media.
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Hawk at 3:41PM, May 27, 2007
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Actually, what he said was that they were trying to keep the controls simple in the "gamecube style", he did not say they wouldn't use the wii remote as the default control device. He went on to talk about how they were trying to avoid using the motion sensitivity in the standard game. He had one comment about not throwing away your old gamecube controllers as a hint that they may be useable as an alternative to the standard wii remote, or perhaps it was just his way of saying the controls on the wii remote are so bad, you're going to need to use the gamecube controller as an alternative.


True, that is about the gist of what he said. I remember at the time remember being relieved that not ALL games would end up with motion controls.

Well, hopefully with the Smash Bros. blog updating frequently, we'll be clued in on just how the controls will work soon.

Who owns the hd dvd format? (The DVD forum is more of an organization.)


Isn't Toshiba one of the main companies behind HD DVD?
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ozoneocean at 4:07PM, May 27, 2007
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HD-DVD RAM isn't out yet.
I did say that ;)
From what I read it's easier to make the players compatible with all, as well as the burners, but I did say "apparently" because it's just something I read.

As for regions, apparently blu Ray video disks are made for specific regions, HD DVD video disks aren't. Make of that what you will. Perhaps it's something Sony Insists on while the producers of HD DVDs do not?
Disc size: that doesn't change the fact that that it's true. Most of the movies are on the smaller disks. That was one of the key points of contention when Blue Ray and HD DVD came onto the market. Ho hum! And obviously as that changed, it'll probably change more for both. It IS in flux!

And I'm afraid YOU shoot yourself in the foot by saying that 25 gigs is enough for movies and THEN say that PC's and TVs won't change any time soon to need or use more data when you've already said that 50gig disks are better... So is 25 gigs is more than enough, what makes Blue Ray better than HD DVD in terms of size for videos? huh? o_O
As for screwing early adopters, as I said with DVDs, that's already been done. Even with the new hybrid players that play both formats people who've invested big in one or the other player will be miffed at that. Early adopters are there TO be screwed, I would even ask why you'd think it wouldn't happen this time?
-man, I remember getting done with the P4s when they were new... Bloody Rambus ram! It cost me over $1000 to upgrade to a gig and then they come along and make it so that any ram is ok...

There are always requirements for disks that hold more data and we all know that multilayer disks are in development so it's rather silly to act as if they're not just to support your argument for the ascendancy of one technology over another... In the end there'll be something else. Sooner rather than later.
 
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Bekefel at 5:44PM, May 27, 2007
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I think you guys should forget the technical crap and come play Tennis with me.
Please, please, you give me too little credit.
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Aereis at 12:09PM, May 28, 2007
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I don't have one...yet. I'll do what I did with the ps2. Wait until it only cost me like 250$. I only have a psp because it was a gift-I wouldn't pay full price for it.

I say this because there's no interesting games being released on it-in fact, I can't think of anything in the last few months that was released and great. And I know dmc4 (Yippie for Mr Dante!!!) is for the ps3, but damnit...when?

My bf got me the psp because Silent Hill: 0rigins was going to be released three months after I received it. That was last September 28 (06). SH:0 is now released for THIS FALL (07). A FULL YEAR LATER it will be released. Yea, good one konami >_<. Don't even get me started on the non-american release of Siren 2...I'm a survival horror girl....and if there arn't any games I'd like...why would I buy one? So right now, based on my buying criteria, yes, the ps3 sucks.

I'm sorry, but I don't need an expensive box to pretty up my room.
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chris at 7:28PM, June 7, 2007
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hahahaha, xbox fanboy videos are just hillarious..they used actual game reviews to determine if a game is good or not. XD X'D X''D

OOh, i think i broke something...
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MetalLuigi at 9:01PM, June 7, 2007
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The PS3, Wii, and Xbox 360 ALL suck because they all cost more than two hundred bucks.

What? I have no money.
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Aereis at 5:29AM, June 8, 2007
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The PS3, Wii, and Xbox 360 ALL suck because they all cost more than two hundred bucks.

What? I have no money.


Everything sucks when we can't have it :P

But even if I was a billionare, I probably wouldn't buy one till it was useful to have one (ie, a game worth playing is released).
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ZeroVX at 11:22AM, June 8, 2007
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The PS3, Wii, and Xbox 360 ALL suck because they all cost more than two hundred bucks.

What? I have no money.


Everything sucks when we can't have it :P

But even if I was a billionare, I probably wouldn't buy one till it was useful to have one (ie, a game worth playing is released).


You DO know about Zelda, right?
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Hawk at 12:36PM, June 8, 2007
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Oh yeah, Zelda for PS3. I forgot they were making that.
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kingofsnake at 12:38PM, June 8, 2007
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You DO know about Zelda, right?


Didn't "wow" me. My feelings on the wiimote can be summed up like this:

"Cool at first, got old fast"

None of the next gen systems have done anything to make me want to buy them yet. I don't like first person shooters... so thats like 50% of the next gen games right there, 75% of the x360 games. PS3 hasn't seen it's game release boom yet, and I got bored with the Wii in a couple days.

I'll probably end up picking up a PS3 in 6 to 8 months... I'm more interested in a PSP right now, it finally has a game library that is big enough to strike my fancy. I think it really all comes down to what you're looking for for gaming.

If I'm playing a videogame, I'm playing one player. I don't play videogames when I'm hanging out with friends (which is where the wii shines), and I don't play videogames instead of hanging out with friends (which is where the xbox shines.)

When the PS3 came out a buddy of mine owns a gaming center, so he had to wait for it, he needed to have it for his store. But when he finally got it no one wanted to play it, not because it was a bad system, they were predjucdiced against it before it even came out. They played Resistence for like 2 minutes and said it had "Doom" graphics. The Wii came out the next day and they couldn't get enough of it.

I'll sit down and play anything, I don't give a fuck. Doesn't make sense to me that people would miss out on good games out of, I dont know what it is, pride? brand loyalty? prejudice?

If I end up picking up anything it'll be a PS3, it just looks like a better system to me, but it won't be until theres a game library to make it worthwhile.
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marine at 1:20AM, June 9, 2007
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Yeah, the ps3 sucks. The wii, almost, but no. The xbox 360 is the most superior, but it will eventually warp its own CPU causing this console generations disk read error, the three red lights of death. Truly god is laughing at every gamer, I'm sure.
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gigatwo at 9:56AM, June 9, 2007
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You DO know about Zelda, right?

I stopped playing that after the second dungeon. Not because it was bad, but because I have a short attention span.
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ccs1989 at 7:11PM, June 9, 2007
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Yeah, the ps3 sucks. The wii, almost, but no. The xbox 360 is the most superior, but it will eventually warp its own CPU causing this console generations disk read error, the three red lights of death. Truly god is laughing at every gamer, I'm sure.


Huh. That sucks. I'm glad I don't any of them.
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ZeroVX at 11:14AM, June 10, 2007
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Oh yeah, Zelda for PS3. I forgot they were making that.


Hahaha. You are so funny. Please, stop. I can't stop laughing.

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You DO know about Zelda, right?

I stopped playing that after the second dungeon. Not because it was bad, but because I have a short attention span.


That's a shame. You didn't even get the Clawshot. That's kickass.
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Megacherv at 11:43AM, June 11, 2007
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Basically, I'm getting a PS3 because the spec is higher than the 360 and the Wii, it looks cooler, you can use the PSP with certain games (which I find cool), it's har drive is bigger, and you can get some great offers in store. For instance, a PS3 60GB would normally cost 425 pounds, an official controller about 25 pounds, and a game/movie about 50 pounds. You could get 3 games, 2 movies, a HDMI lead and an official controller with a 60GB PS3 for 600 pounds, thats a saving of about 100 pounds. Thats a pretty good deal.

I also browse on my PSP and PS3. So if I'm online, I may be on them.
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fern at 11:57AM, June 11, 2007
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That'sa whole lotta pounds!
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Megacherv at 12:17PM, June 11, 2007
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That'sa whole lotta pounds!

Please don't mock my red, I like red. And that is a whole lot of pounds for a 13-year old kid who gets 25 of them a month but has to spend most of it on Taekwondo gear, phone credit etc.

I also browse on my PSP and PS3. So if I'm online, I may be on them.
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subcultured at 1:08AM, June 12, 2007
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ps3 doesn't have a lot of good games.
yer buying an expensive machine...with little games

kinda reminds me of neo geo.
$649 a system.
$200 a game.

over price much?
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chii at 2:51AM, June 12, 2007
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Yes, yes it is VERY VERY TRUE. Sony just killed their blue-ray using thingie. :cat:
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Megacherv at 8:05AM, June 12, 2007
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ps3 doesn't have a lot of good games.
yer buying an expensive machine...with little games

kinda reminds me of neo geo.
$649 a system.
$200 a game.

over price much?


Umm, that's the Neo Geo you're talking about there, not the PS3 prices right? Because if they are the PS3 prices, SCEA have got some serious money issues. Oh, by the way, Resistance Fall of Man looks like a great game, and better games will come out later on, like a year after the PS3's release

I also browse on my PSP and PS3. So if I'm online, I may be on them.
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ZeroVX at 11:30AM, June 12, 2007
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Then why not wait until the better games come out? Why get one now?
"If our own government was responsible for the deaths of almost 100,000 people.....would you really wanna know?"

V for Vendetta, V.
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fern at 11:49AM, June 12, 2007
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Resistance Fall of Man looks like a great game, and better games will come out later on, like a year after the PS3's release


It's the only good game out... for now.
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