I agree with Megan Rose!
Conservatives are not creative.
They live in a very dark area, with a lot clouds called Mordor and spend most of their time doing what a big eye, or some old guy in white, tell them to do.
They dont like short hairy people and have cockney accents.

Wait, thats orcs...what do conservatives do again?

harkovast
I agree with Megan Rose!
Conservatives are not creative.
They live in a very dark area, with a lot clouds called Mordor and spend most of their time doing what a big eye, or some old guy in white, tell them to do.
They dont like short hairy people and have cockney accents.

Wait, thats orcs...what do conservatives do again?

Oh, crap, you know.

I'm going to have to suck your life-force out in order to keep you quiet. And I'll blame it on those darned meddling liberals-err, I mean, kids!

harkovast
I agree with Megan Rose!
Conservatives are not creative.
They live in a very dark area, with a lot clouds called Mordor and spend most of their time doing what a big eye, or some old guy in white, tell them to do.

Wait, thats orcs...what do conservatives do again?

They live in a very dark area with lots of clouds called Red states and spend their time marching lock step to the orders of Limbaugh, Hannity and Levin and worshipping their great idol Ronaldus Magnus.

A conervative is not necessarily conservative when it comes to art. Politics, personal morality and the like but not their art. Libertarians are "conservative" and should be very creative as they want as little government interference with their lives as is necessary to maintain an ordered society. Wouldn't they be the most artisticly creative? Wouldn't a liberal who supports government intrusion everywhere and a socialized society be the least creative as his creativity is controlled and funded by the government?

This assumes that the ideal liberal state is Socialism and even Communism. If you posit a free and totally open society wouldn't that be more libertarian like the 19th century frontier Americans? (Andrew Jackson?)

I'm a social liberal, a government conservative and maybe that split is what allows a conservative to be artistically expressive? Conservatism about politics doesn't translate into a lack of artistic expression as they are liberal when it comes to self-expression. Pat Buchanan, Anne Coulter, Newt Gingrich, William F. Buckley jr. were all very creative conservatives with a huge library of entertaining and well written books. You may not agree with their opinions but they were great creative writers.

Yeah, there's a big difference between political conservatives and social conservatives. I don't think that either political leaning has much of an influence on art (outside of an artist being political enough, for any party, to include politics in their art).

It's more the social conservativism that seems antithetical to art to me.

harkovast
Kristen, I agree about Doonesbury. It is not nearly as clever or insightful as the guy writing it seems to think it is. It is painfully dull and I never read it.
But at least it has some thought into it, a little bit of cleverness and sophistication (even though it may fail to be funny 9/10 times)

FINALLY -- someone said it! I feel relieved... lol!

megan_rose
Yeah, there's a big difference between political conservatives and social conservatives. I don't think that either political leaning has much of an influence on art (outside of an artist being political enough, for any party, to include politics in their art).

It's more the social conservativism that seems antithetical to art to me.

That's an interesting point, Megan. I try very hard to keep my politics out of the stories I write or co-write, whether it's the more serious Due East or the comedic Off Hours. Since they're not political cartoons, what's the point?

And yet, by having "real size" women in both comics, I do exercise a little bit of "against the grain" activism. I'll admit to that. ;)

I'm one of those "crazy" social and political conservatives...but I'm not a Republican. I'm so put off with them it's not funny.

*Cough* Well then. I'm feeling a little stereotyped right now, haha! It's a'ightttt. My best friend is liberal and she picks on me all the time. I'm socially and politically conservative (I'm not old enough to vote, so I wouldn't say I'm republican), but I try to keep away from politics in my comics for the most part. If I do add any in, it's making fun of both sides because both sides are equally corrupt. I just hope people can look past my political views and see I'm a genuinely nice person.

If anything, I'm a moderate conservative. Pundits like Ann Coulter or Rush Limbaugh are too fanatical for me. I like Jon Stewart and liberal comics despite their bias, cause they're funny! Sure, I'll get mad at them once in a while, but what's the point in living if you can't laugh at yourself once in a while! But yeah. I wouldn't mind there being more conservative voices out there in webcomics, I think most of us are too afraid to speak out cause we're not exactly liked right now. (I debated with myself for a while before actually posting this. Epix fail.)

I do think it's easier to be liberal in the art world. I disagree that we're closed-minded, though. I'd like to think I'm very open-minded with trying new things, I don't see how social issues effect that. Ah well. Thems politics!

Gracehfaceh why do you think it is hardly to be cnservative in the art world?
Peer preasure from the liberals already in that medium?
(EDIT- Sorry I just thought that question might have come across, as sarcastic, it isn't meant to be. I genuinely wondered why you think that is.)
In the web comic medium you can make a comic about anythign you want and no one can stop you, so I don't see why (assuming there are conservative people who read comics) a conservative comic wouldn't find an audience.
And to be honest, your Conservative-ness is not exactly a big secret! You have a comic call 'New America', so if I had to guess I would have said conservative anyway!
But now you have admitted it I am going to scowl at you and refuse to speak to you and blame you for the hole in the ozone layer killing penguins! PENGUIN KILLER!
(Just kidding. I think penguins have it coming, cocky fish eaters!)

harkovast
Gracehfaceh why do you think it is hardly to be cnservative in the art world?
Peer preasure from the liberals already in that medium?
(EDIT- Sorry I just thought that question might have come across, as sarcastic, it isn't meant to be. I genuinely wondered why you think that is.)

Don't worry, I get what you're saying! It's not really peer pressure, it's more like being the outcast in middle school who hates the fact that they don't fit in. You're constantly afraid some one's gonna judge you for having a difference of opinion, but I suppose that applies to much more than politics!

In the web comic medium you can make a comic about anythign you want and no one can stop you, so I don't see why (assuming there are conservative people who read comics) a conservative comic wouldn't find an audience.
And to be honest, your Conservative-ness is not exactly a big secret! You have a comic call 'New America', so if I had to guess I would have said conservative anyway!

Haha, I think it's blatantly obvious as well (Patriotic, advocates tolerance toward religion, all them crazy family values... still, I have characters from both sides of the fence. It's boring making all the good guys have the same political/religious values!) but you'd be surprised that some of my earlier readers whom I became friends with were surprised to learn that I was conservative. I'm pretty quiet about it, since I think its off putting to be uber in-your-face about one's personal beliefs.

But now you have admitted it I am going to scowl at you and refuse to speak to you and blame you for the hole in the ozone layer killing penguins! PENGUIN KILLER!
(Just kidding. I think penguins have it coming, cocky fish eaters!)

Them Penguins owe me 300 bucks. 'Til they pay up, I'm driving an SUV through the arctic and blasting Christian rock! (Lol.)

Whoa whoa, I hate penguins as much as anyone, but Christain Rock? Thats harsh!
Couldn't you just shoot at them and get it over with?

harkovast
Whoa whoa, I hate penguins as much as anyone, but Christain Rock? Thats harsh!
Couldn't you just shoot at them and get it over with?

Unfortunately I don't own a helicopter, so shooting wildlife just isn't as fun. :/

The only conservative webcomic worth reading is Hapajap's RightLeftCenter which you'll have trouble beleiving isn't a parody.

GracehFeceh, you dont hunt from a helicopter?
What kind of conservative are you?
You've just let down Governer Palin!

Philby okay that comic is so weak I have to agree with your accessment, is it meant to be a parody? Either way it isn't funny.
Every page using the same pictures recycled?
And an entire chapter resiting sections of the bible?
The most weak and feeble of straw man political opponents?
Wow!
Just wow.
When you say this is the only one worth reading, were the other ones written by monkeys hurling poo at a computer? Because even they couldn't be worse then this.
The great irony was, I always ended up hating the elephant, because he was such a smug, self righteous git. He keeps coming up to this poor Donkey and talking down to him and making fun of him. What an ass hole!
I'd side with the Donkey just because he doesn't go around forcing his opinions on other people like a tool.

The only conservative webcomic worth reading is Hapajap's RightLeftCenter which you'll have trouble beleiving isn't a parody.

He's a very good artist, but it always looks like it's the same strip over and over again. The author is kinda annoying- he didn't really take on the opposition well and anyone he doesn't agree with is a 'tool'. Not that they don't come at with with spears, but he could definately handle them with more maturity. I felt like this was a conservative version of Sore Thumbs (you know, minus the obligatory big breasted female. I should have just stopped reading when I saw that but nooooo. I had to cause myself unnecessary rage.)

I personally like Day by Day by Chris Muir more, even though it's not as good art wise and still very conservative. At least the characters in that can put aside their differences when it matters and they push their views a lot less.

Philby okay that comic is so weak I have to agree with your assessment, is it meant to be a parody?

I thought that too. I felt like it was written by a liberal characterizing all repubs as being in-your-face. Then again, the author is pretty annoying. I kinda think he might purposely be trying to get people butthurt- but c'mon, the left does that as well. Everyone is in-your-face anymore, it seems. I can't read these political comics for too long, I always get frustrated. Is it weird that I always like the ones where they agree on stuff? I'm non confrontational to a fault.

GracehFeceh, you dont hunt from a helicopter?
What kind of conservative are you?
You've just let down Governer Palin!

Haha, yes! I hoped you would get that joke! *High, low five, down low, too slow!*

Graceh the author makes the mistake of having the elephant always start the fights.

So the elephants comes up the happy donkey who is minding his own business and start belittling him. the Donkey does not really argue back much and basically gives in.

Net result- Elephant seems like a bully and we all hate him and want to see the donkey kick his ass.
Their political opinions don't come into this. The elephant is just set up to seem like the jerk here.

He should have structured it so the Donkey comes in being aggressive and pushy and the Elephants gets the better of him at the end. Then the Donkey is the bully but we get to enjoy seeing him roasted for his arrogance.

Though either way, he would need much sharper material and cleverer writing them this. The comic is just poor.

I am not making a comment on the fact its right wing, just that it is not very good.
And pages rewriting the bible? Come on, that's just weird!

harkovast
GracehFeceh, you dont hunt from a helicopter?
What kind of conservative are you?
You've just let down Governer Palin!

Philby okay that comic is so weak I have to agree with your accessment, is it meant to be a parody? Either way it isn't funny.
Every page using the same pictures recycled?
And an entire chapter resiting sections of the bible?
The most weak and feeble of straw man political opponents?
Wow!
Just wow.
When you say this is the only one worth reading, were the other ones written by monkeys hurling poo at a computer? Because even they couldn't be worse then this.
The great irony was, I always ended up hating the elephant, because he was such a smug, self righteous git. He keeps coming up to this poor Donkey and talking down to him and making fun of him. What an ass hole!
I'd side with the Donkey just because he doesn't go around forcing his opinions on other people like a tool.

I love RLC because the author set out to make a balanced political comic (hence the title) but somehow managed to produce a comic that could not be any more right wing. The 'Elephants never forget' panel is the funniest goddanm thing ever.

The only other conservative webcomic I know of is Better Days, so you're not that far off with the monkey poo.

That's not to say Liberal comics are any better, Minimum security [minimumsecurity.net] anyone?

Political cartoons in general are terrible. The only worthwhile ones, in my opinion, take a balanced view and poke fun at everyone, regardless of political leanings.

I will give LRC one thing...its better then mallard Fillmore.
But then again, setting my hadns on fire is better then Mallard Fillmore.

Political cartoons suck because they set out to tell you what to think, something we should all be able to do on our own.

Wait...did you jsut say that comic was meant to show BOTH sides?
That shows both sides even less then fox news!

Someone
I am not making a comment on the fact its right wing, just that it is not very good.

Oh no, I wasn't accusing you of being bias at all. I agree whole heartedly, even if it were just a regular non-political comic with different conflicts, it would be just as bad.

Someone
That's not to say Liberal comics are any better, Minimum security anyone?

Didn't John Solomon do a review of that? Here, lemme find it.

Here we go--> http://badwebcomics.blogspot.com/2007/06/minimum-security.html

That's some funny shit.

I love that bad webcomic site....as long as I never appear there!

I just read minimum security a bit....and dear Lord help me, it is even worse then RLC! (there is a phrase I never thought I would say!)

Putting aside whether you think abortion is right or wrong, I think we can all agree-
IT ISN'T FUNNY!
I have yet to read any attempt at comedy about abortion, whether for or against that was actually in even the slightest way funny.
Minimum security manages to go one further and actually present reasons why abortion is bad (all be in form the mouth of the crazy bible thumping character) and then fails to actually prove them wrong!
She manages to argue for the other freakin side! How dumb is this writer?
Her best argument against abortion seems to be that if we can eat meat and not worry about animals, it is okay to abort babies and not worry about them. Though she believes eating meat is murder....so yeah.

And for all her enviromental nonsense, she still uses electricity to run her computer to put this trash on line!

Y'know that's the problem with alot of consevitves. They try to prove a point they believe is right just because they "believe" it is right and fail to bring any logic into the argument at all. "Well the reason Gay marriage and abortion is wrong is just because it's wrong." God they sicken. Unfortueatly for the conservitives out there who can actually argue these points well, those afore-mentioned jackasses always are on the media and ruin their credibility.

And just to get this out of the way, I am neither a librel or a conservitive. I am an independent. I actually use my brain and not that of the party's

PPPchairman
Y'know that's the problem with alot of consevitves. They try to prove a point they believe is right just because they "believe" it is right and fail to bring any logic into the argument at all. "Well the reason Gay marriage and abortion is wrong is just because it's wrong." God they sicken. Unfortueatly for the conservitives out there who can actually argue these points well, those afore-mentioned jackasses always are on the media and ruin their credibility.

And just to get this out of the way, I am neither a librel or a conservitive. I am an independent. I actually use my brain and not that of the party's

While I agree with you, I don't think that it is a problem with conservative points of view only. There is a lot of liberals that say that something is wrong just because...Or they backed up with some pseudo-philosophical diatribe that putted in more simple terms doesn't mean shit...

And as many guys have said before, political comics just plain suck because they come out as a way to force a point of view down the throat.

Besides, say that conservaties aren't creative is like say that Homosexual men are fashion gods...

Aren't we supposed to be against generalizations?

OK, what people are mostly talking about here is the U.S. idea of conservatism, especially the kind that does commentary: which is really people on the extreme right in reality. Of course there aren't many comics like that.

I haven't ever seen any extreme left wing comics either.

Thank all that is scared that we're generally spared from that sort of thing.

I hate people who make wild generalisations!
Especially the way right wing people do it all the time!

lol
I saw this topic and immediately thought, "Watchmen!" Rorschach is like, Super Republican Man, if ever one existed.
"Possible homosexual. Must investigate further."
There's also a line of his at some point where he flat-out insults the liberals...though I can't remember the exact phrasing.

Harkovast
Putting aside whether you think abortion is right or wrong, I think we can all agree-
IT ISN'T FUNNY!

That, along with rape, abuse, and all those other uncomfortable topics. Someone needs to make a list of stuff that's not acceptable to joke about. Doesn't seem to stop people, though. =S

Someone
While I agree with you, I don't think that it is a problem with conservative points of view only. There is a lot of liberals that say that something is wrong just because...Or they backed up with some pseudo-philosophical diatribe that putted in more simple terms doesn't mean shit...

...

Aren't we supposed to be against generalizations?

Quoted for truth! There are so many different types of conservatives and liberals that it's way too hard to generalize them into one group. I got a friend who lives and dies by Obama's word and other friends who like him but don't agree with everything he does, likewise I have conservative friends who just listen to what their parents tell them and others who don't follow everything the party does- I think it's all in how much people research the subject.

I don't think the world should be as politicized as it is now, though. I mean, Jesus, I had kids jumping down my throat over my opinions in grade school. It's nuts, what ever happened to kids just being kids?

Someone
I saw this topic and immediately thought, "Watchmen!" Rorschach is like, Super Republican Man, if ever one existed.

I remember when I first read that, I was like "...What? A republican in media past cop shows?!" Of course, he wasn't supposed to be a good character. But I liked him anyway. I was sad when he s'ploded.

Someone
I remember when I first read that, I was like "...What? A republican in media past cop shows?!" Of course, he wasn't supposed to be a good character. But I liked him anyway. I was sad when he s'ploded.

What do you mean he wasn't supposed to be good? I thought he was supposed to be the only hero in the story. Never comprimise with evil even if it means world peace in the end.

Someone
I don't think the world should be as politicized as it is now, though. I mean, Jesus, I had kids jumping down my throat over my opinions in grade school. It's nuts, what ever happened to kids just being kids?

The best way to get others to believe your garbage is to teach them it at a young age. "A 5 year old will believe anything an adult tells him as well he should be able to."

Rorsharch was intended to be a criticism of super right win, no mercy, dark and gritty super heroes (like the punisher).
The audience was meant to be repulsed by him.

Obviously he turned out to be everyones favourite character, muhc to the beardy weirdy lefty liberal authors disgust!

If ya'll are looking for a good comic with conservative leanings, I'm surprised that nobody's mentioned Better Days yet. The comic has ended now, but remains one of my favorites (the artwork alone is worth it). I can think of only one instance of the artist espousing his political beliefs outright, but you get a general feel for his leanings throughout the comic.

As for me personally, I lean conservative in most things, which is why I'm becoming disgusted with the Republican party of late. They squandered their advantage when they took back the House and Senate for more "Politics as Usual" trying to secure their powerbase when they should have been fulfilling their "Contract with America". I am seriously considering switching over to the Liberterians if they don't wise up, and soon. I find their goals more in keeping with my own anyway. There. I've gone and outed myself. lol!

But you won't find politics in my comic. At least, not deliberately on my part. Politics just isn't funny, which is why I quit reading Sore Thumbs after the first few weeks. XP

White rabbit I was under the impression Better Days is rather racist (with black people portrayed as Hyenas speaking in weird urban dialects and the main character been shown as heroic for writing an essay about how the native Americans had it coming), massive quantity of fan service and sexism (with female characters objectified by endless close ups on their butts and an extra section of the site you can pay for that is just furry porn drawings) and incest. or Twincest, if you want to be precise.

So the best conservatively leaning comic so far is racist, sexist, comes with porn and features incest.

I want to add a snarky joke at the end here, but I dont think I can top that last sentance.
So no comment from me!

It's no more racist for that than Maus was for depicting Jews as mice. As to the Native American thing, you ought to read the comic in question before rendering judgment. The panel you're looking for is the second.

I find nothing wrong with fan service, and am puzzled by people who do. As to the sexism charge, I admit it is there. However, it goes both ways. There is plenty of beefcake as well as cheesecake (though the cheesecake is the more prevalent of the two). I also fail to see the problem with the porn as, as you say, it's in an extra section that you have to pay to get into, and out of children's reach (unless they get creative and light-fingered with their parent's credit card). The incest is a couple of minor storylines and only touched upon briefly, without getting into graphic detail.

I would hope that you'd be open-minded enough to read the comic itself, rather than draw conclusions based on hearsay, especially internet hearsay.