Yeah, they are valid to a different point, true- JillyFoo misunderstood Shadowmyst and so put the question the way she did and people answered that question... In a fairly expected way, it has to be said.
I suppose that's what I was reacting to more than anything- Shadowmyst had become the strawman in this instance, set up with that weak position to be knocked down with easily made, "valid points".
So, that's why I phrased it as I did. But maybe I should have said what I've written here instead? I just hadn't considered it that carefully back then.
Sorry for any offence :(
I'm sorry or any offense, Ozone. I started the conversation in hopes of expanding the writing for an audience conversation on the Quackcast because I found it very interesting. In the first post I tryed to put forth ideas for both sides. I wasn't trying to be bias for any side or trying to put down Shadowmyst. In fact I thought she didn't tell enough on the subject and wanted her to clarify on some parts. (I'm glad she did here. :) )
If anything I thought this would help promote the quackcast and give people an excuse to listen. Thanks for the posts guys. ;)