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isukun

That aside, I'd have to say the final 20 minutes were disappointing. It was just too predictable and ... yeah, it was okay but ... nothing special.

Most of your comic book movies, particularly those about superheroes aren't going to be riddled with plot twists. What more were you expecting from the ending? It's not like they're going to have the hero lose in the end.

My point isn't that the good guy won. The disappointing factor was the the nature of the set up itself. I could hear the cogs turning in the producer's mind: "Hmmm - the hero is a guy in a metal suit ... what kind of villain could we have for the climax? I know - another guy in an even bigger metal suit! Oh - and he could defeat him with ... an explosion!"That kind of thinking is just lazy.

Well that was basically who Iron Monger was in the comics. Iron Man frankly doesn't have any good villains save a few, and since they signed on for three movies they need to place what good ones they have to work with in such a way that it makes sense. That said, I agree with you a bit. Seeing Iron Man fight in only two scenes was pretty shitty. Then again, that's the same feeling I got from Batman Begins. The only movie I've watched that pulls off the long winded origin story was Spider-Man.

I mean, it's better that it's Iron Monger and his whole "I'm in a bigger suit" catch than the fucking Unicorn. :/

Who were Iron Man's villains anyways? Can't say I remember any particular ones aside from all of the people who stole his suit, in which case its just Iron Man vs. Iron Man...

well alcoholism, he battled against that pretty often, but I wouldn't exactly consider that to be a super villain...

Most of Iron Man's villians are iron-cladded guys like Crimson Dynamo, Titanium Man...even The Beetle (Though mostly a Spidey villian). Lightweight types like The Blizzard and Blacklash are cool too. The Mandarin is a main-stay that I'd like to see in one of the sequels - Chow-Yun Fat anyone?

Some cool ones I'd like to see are Justin Hammer (Another rival industrialist) and even The Ghost (A corporate saboteur).

But Iron Man's greatest enemy will probably HIMSELF once Tony Stark starts hitting the sauce and Rhody takes over as War Machine.

So who saw Stan's obligatory cameo?

blntmaker
The Mandarin is a main-stay that I'd like to see in one of the sequels - Chow-Yun Fat anyone?

I heard somewhere that Mandarin is going to be in the next one. Not sure, though.

The Mandarin was a good mainstay villain for Iron Man, I agree.

Iron Man was probably at his best in the comics in the mid- to late-1970s, lots of villains during that time. Tony really hit the bottle in the 1980s, culminating in his beating it once and then losing Stark Enterprises to Obadiah Stane in the early 1990s when he crawled in the bottle worse than the first time. Stane would later become the ridiculous Iron Monger version of the comics.

The Living Laser was a good villain for Iron Man. He beat the crud out of him more than once.

In the mid- to late-1990s, they tried to find how many ways can they systematically destroy Tony's body so he's even more dependent on the armor. I stopped buying comics right around the time his obsessive girlfriend shot a bullet through his spine (in the comics). The writing was flying down the toilet about that time...

I liked the episode with Titanium Man in the old fashioned TV series ^_^
From the 1960's. Not much movement, but it looked GREAT :)
to me.

There's another reason Iron Man was good, and it took cues of this from the good Batmans: There are no weird superhumans shooting eyebeams.

Iron Man is a semi-believable machine suit. All his enemies and problems are human. The Big Bad was human. And the Big Bad's stupid super-name was never mentioned. This was all good.

mlai
The Big Bad

The Buffy guy?

mlai
The Big Bad was human. And the Big Bad's stupid super-name was never mentioned. This was all good.

they are calling it IRON MONGER
...
I bought the toy.

...


yes, sad, I know.


...It is a well made toy
(my daughter didn't really like that toy either)

IRON MONGER works because of suitable dialogue in the movie between Tony Stark and the Dude.

jalford
To skoolmunkee,

That's not fair. Unlock my thread. Your argument with this has always been that it's who has their thread started FIRST. If you think that this thread is the "unappropriate" place to talk about it, then you now have some idea about how what you did made me feel.

I don't believe I've ever made that argument, I'd be interested to see where I said that. It wasn't my intention to hurt you by locking your thread, though. I was only doing housekeeping.

Shane already apologized for not seeing your thread. I don't see the point in unlocking a duplicate thread that had no replies though- it would either continue to get no replies, or it would split the discussion into two places and get disorganized.

FYI this is the first time I've actually read this thread beyond the initial skimming I did to decide which thread to close, you'd have been better off PQing me to bring your complaint to my attention right away rather than have me stumble on it 5 days later after getting into a protracted PQ discussion with you about something else. :/

just saw it tonight.
loved it.
the only thing which had me scratching my head was Iron Man lands back at the house on the roof and falls all the way to the basement and lands on a car, but him and Iron Monger are fighting on top of the building at the end with rockets blasting everywhere and the only thing busted is the glass shattering.

Well, the company was built around the development and testing of weapons. Perhaps the corporate buildings were a bit sturdier than Tony Stark's private dwelling which was primarily built to live in.

Iron Monger [en.wikipedia.org] was not created for the movie. Iron Monger works because that was the name of the armor in the comic.

Finally someone does robots beating crap up good and easy to watch

TheMidge28
the only thing which had me scratching my head was Iron Man lands back at the house on the roof and falls all the way to the basement and lands on a car, but him and Iron Monger are fighting on top of the building at the end with rockets blasting everywhere and the only thing busted is the glass shattering.

My husband (the Iron Man geek) says that a.) When he fell through the roof it was the much heavier flight prototype (the Mark II), and when he was fighting at the end it the was more refined Mark III design. And: b.) He fell through a house roof as opposed to an industrial site/the roof of a power plant, and of course a power plant roof would be much sturdier than a regular house roof.

Granted, you still have to suspend your disbelief, but that's what makes for a fun movie. :)

With all this good talkin' about it, I might have to see it before it comes out on DVD... hmm. Iron Man or Indy? Decisions!

I don't go in for superhero films, but I might just see this one ^^

I just wanted to say that although I haven't seen the movie yet, this thread is fantastic. Probably the best Iron Man thread I ever read. Thanks for making my day!

Just wanted to say that I seriously can't stop watching the true ending to this film. If anyone who saw this didn't stay till after the credits, look it up online. It's a nerd's wet dream come true.

Ugh, I really, really want to see it now just for that mystery. No one spoil it!

I don't see the big deal of the secret ending. All it does is remind me of Jumpers.

The problem with crossovers is that the other eligible movies suck compared to Iron Man. As well as suffer a variation of the "multiple villains syndrome." Oh well, at least if they put Downey Jr next to those other ppl, America will realize how much those other ppl suck. And then maybe superhero sequels' standards will rise in general.

How do we know the movies suck when they haven't come out, yet? Jumping the gun a little, aren't we?

So that's the end the? a tricky crossover? Hmmm...

isukun
How do we know the movies suck when they haven't come out, yet? Jumping the gun a little, aren't we?

So I should have hope for Fantastic 4 #3?

I just saw Iron Man yesterday on a lark with a friend. I was feeling kind of 'eh' about another Marvel superhero movie since I didn't care for the Hulk, Spider Man 2+3, and my understanding of Iron Man led me to think he was a fairly dull hero.

Wow, I did not regret seeing that. Truly enjoyable.
I wish my friend didn't say "I doubt there's a postscript" causing us to leave before the credits were done.

So I should have hope for FF4 #3?

And how does a sequel to two bad movies relate to new takes on franchises that we know almost nothing about? Apart from the Incredible Hulk, we have no footage, story details or even cast lists from these upcoming movies, yet you're ready to write them off as crap.

Was it just me or was there a Power Pack cameo? That family in the car...? I thought it might be, but I'm not sure.


I loved this movie.

isukun

So I should have hope for FF4 #3?

And how does a sequel to two bad movies relate to new takes on franchises that we know almost nothing about? Apart from the Incredible Hulk, we have no footage, story details or even cast lists from these upcoming movies, yet you're ready to write them off as crap.

Because I'm going on the premise, along the momentum of the thread, of the possibility that Iron Man will cross over with other Marvel characters in the sequel. I expressed the opinion that Iron Man would be better off by himself, because currently all Marvel characters that have been onscreen are in a state of suck, even if they started off good in their movie #1.

So I should automatically assume the next Batman movie will suck because I hated Superman Returns, a movie with a totally different writer and director? As I said before, none of these characters have appeared on screen, yet. The new Incredible Hulk movie isn't a sequel of the last one, but a totally new take on the character. There is almost nothing known about the upcoming Thor, Nick Fury, Captain America and Ant Man movies apart from some preliminary guesses on who will write and direct them, and most of those people haven't worked on Marvel projects in the past.

1. They're not Marvel.
2. It's more likely that Iron Man would cross over with the likes of Fantastic 4 rather than new Hulk.