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If You Controlled Marvel, What would you do?
Freegurt
at 11:48PM, May 11, 2010
Long rant is long...
Sorry, I pressed my rant-button again.
Woah, chill bro. It can be entertaining while giving the reader hope and whatnot, but without all the death and women in refrigerators and angst. You can have character development, too. I just don't understand why everything has to be all dark and brooding to make a character develop.
last edited on July 14, 2011 12:31PM
Mitaukano
at 1:50PM, May 14, 2010
Freegurt
Woah, chill bro. It can be entertaining while giving the reader hope and whatnot, but without all the death and women in refrigerators and angst. You can have character development, too. I just don't understand why everything has to be all dark and brooding to make a character develop.
This is why I love all age’s comics; Even though some of them have a few dark themes, they are generally enjoyable for all. Like Korgi! That right there is an excellent example of how one needs no Dialogue or extreme black despair to make a good comic. I have gotten people who love books but hate comics to read them thanks to Korgi.
I'm not on to talk though, my own comic is pretty dark and though I love all ages comics I have yet to draw out my one all ages comic script.
last edited on July 14, 2011 2:05PM
The Gravekeeper
at 9:28AM, May 16, 2010
Freegurt
Long rant is long...
Sorry, I pressed my rant-button again.
Woah, chill bro. It can be entertaining while giving the reader hope and whatnot, but without all the death and women in refrigerators and angst. You can have character development, too. I just don't understand why everything has to be all dark and brooding to make a character develop.
Anyone remember superheroes in the 90's? Yeah, everything was dark, brooding and violent all the time and everyone tending to have long, "poetic" monologues to show how "deep" they were. Of course, it often didn't work and we ended up with stupid, shallow and needlessly violent comics with characters who were sometime just as bad as the villains in terms of their morals and were whiny. Having character development via dark, troubling subjects only works when people already kind of know the character and already care about them.
Having heroes address real-life issues also only works if those issues fit in the comic's universe and overall mood. When you've got a world where people get superpowers via ingesting some substance at some point in their lives, having an issue dealing with marijuana it doesn't really fit. It'd also make your heroes look like hypocrites in that situation since they got their powers from what is essentially a drug.
Back on topic, I think I'd reign Deadpool in a little before he suffers the same fate as Wolverine (as in, being shoehorned into every other comic to help those ones sell better. It's ridiculous, I tell you!) I also think DC had the right idea about having a series where writers can feel free to take all the heroes and write stories that just wouldn't work in cannon (sometimes because they'd end the cannon), so I'd want to get that going for Marvel. If it hasn't already happened (yeah, I don't follow Marvel itself that closely; decades of retcons and reboots and whatnot are kind of intimidating to people like me who are familiar with the characters but don't want to start reading in the middle of an ongoing storyline because we won't have a clue what the hell is going on).
It'd also be kind of interesting to start up a series for new writers and artists to cut their teeth on. That alone would help to get them a little more recognition and weed out the weaker ones.
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kyupol
at 6:41PM, May 17, 2010
Either of the two things:
1) Kill every character off.
2) Put a definite happy ending on each character that totally eliminates the possibility for any sequels (or would make any possible sequel suck so bad that everyone would just hate it).
End of story.
1) Kill every character off.
2) Put a definite happy ending on each character that totally eliminates the possibility for any sequels (or would make any possible sequel suck so bad that everyone would just hate it).
End of story.
last edited on July 14, 2011 1:27PM
God of War
at 3:18AM, May 18, 2010
The Gravekeeper
Anyone remember superheroes in the 90's? Yeah, everything was dark, brooding and violent all the time and everyone tending to have long, "poetic" monologues to show how "deep" they were. Of course, it often didn't work and we ended up with stupid, shallow and needlessly violent comics with characters who were sometime just as bad as the villains in terms of their morals and were whiny.
Everybody and their mother remebers 90s. But I don't see too many people mentioning 80s, which was doing it right - Frank Miller's and Ann Nocenti's Daredevil, John Ostrander's Suicide Squad, Denny O'Neil's Green Lantern & Green Arrow, Stan Lee's Amazing Spider-Man #96 and #97 and others.
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Having heroes address real-life issues also only works if those issues fit in the comic's universe and overall mood. When you've got a world where people get superpowers via ingesting some substance at some point in their lives, having an issue dealing with marijuana it doesn't really fit. It'd also make your heroes look like hypocrites in that situation since they got their powers from what is essentially a drug.
I don't see a reason why we should be pretending, that some parts of life doesn't exist in comcis, only because somebody got his powers from super-serum. It's boring in larger terms and reduces superheroes ONLY to entertaiment. And if they only entertain, and don't give us hope, which is supposed to be their main goal, they fail. That's my opinion. Incredible Hercules and Booster Gold can be both funny and serious at the same time, that's why they're good. Deadpool stopped being both funny and serious, to be only funny. That's why his comics are now failures.
It'd also be kind of interesting to start up a series for new writers and artists to cut their teeth on. That alone would help to get them a little more recognition and weed out the weaker ones.
I don't think it would work. Fans today buys first series about popular characters, then all others (aside some exceptions, like new S.H.I.E.L.D.), so either you will end up with 5 Wolverine, 5 Captain America, 5 Iron Man, 5 Hulk and 5 Spider-Man ongoings, orbunch of cancelled series and fired writers, who failed only, because nobody knew who the heck main character is.
I fact, more comcis should be done in a way Spider-Man was after OMD - one, weekly series with two or three writers, if it's necessary (but no more, Spidey has right now so many writers, it's a mess) and maybe some specials and minis here and there. Wolverine and Deadpool should get this threatment, instead of having 5 ongoings.
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