And I guess in a way, you'd probably be right. We draw stuff that most other artists would never post online or even draw. Right?

Know what's funny? I would almost guarantee you that I know as much or more about sex than the people who draw prongraphical comics. But I still can't get into them when I click the links.

lol irony lol

To be honest, that is what I do think.

I'm not gonna lie, though, I probably know more about that kind of stuff than they do.

Thats the major reason I didn't want penis to be A rated.

Not really, no. I'm as likely to check out an A-rated comic as any other and, so far, I'd say that - just as with any other rating at DD - the comics vary widely in quality and intent.

To me this suggests that, while some of the creators may well be "perverts", others are probably just a little immature while others again are just making comics the way they want them to be and refusing to submit to self-censorship.

And more power to them, for that!

i don't realy see myself as a pervert, i'm just working within the most popular catagory in human history SEX ! Everybody loves Sex ! am i rite ?

Yeah, the thing is that almost everybody (above a certain age), knows and thinks about that sort of imagery from time to time, so the people who draw it are perfectly normal, just like the rest of us. The ones who think that it's strange and perverted truly are the perverted ones because that is actually abnormal; and that's what perversion is: deviation from the norm.

Actually, no. I just silently wish I was old enough to read it. The only true violence is in that of 'A' rated comics. why? because apperently you can do anything with an 'A' comic:P

ozoneocean
Yeah, the thing is that almost everybody (above a certain age), knows and thinks about that sort of imagery from time to time, so the people who draw it are perfectly normal, just like the rest of us. The ones who think that it's strange and perverted truly are the perverted ones because that is actually abnormal; and that's what perversion is: deviation from the norm.

My sentiments exactly. Personally, I think it's strange that society is more afraid of kids seeing graphic sex than violence. If anything, it should be the other way around.

Personally, I think it's strange that society is more afraid of kids seeing graphic sex than violence.

... it all boils down to the quest for power.

I find it hard to 'rate' comics for a certain age group. Personally, words on a page, expletives included, only derive their power from what control you give them. Meaning, dropping the F-bomb is not inherently 'foul' until you fathom it to be. Words have meaning, yes, but they have a limited power that you must grant them for them to have effect.

So, expletives and 'derogatory' language aside, showing graphic sex or violence is another animal.

While I have personal morale convictions about how far to take a particular image, I also don't have a problem with showing the reality of a situation. Free flowing ideas is what makes art. On the other hand, I don't feel keen on exposing a 9 year old to graphic anything, until their mind is mature enough (not in my eyes.... they aren't my kid after all) to view it. And while I don't think parents should coddle their child, exposing a 8 year old (that isn't ready... not saying some 8 year olds aren't) to graphic extremes in either case can be detrimental developmentally.

Either way: Parents, know what your kids intake and manage it according to common sense... please?

I'm a perv, & I don't have any A rated books.

Hm... Does that mean I'm *not* a perv?

Later,
Chip

Neilsama
Personally, I think it's strange that society is more afraid of kids seeing graphic sex than violence. If anything, it should be the other way around.

Nah, it's a subconscious reaction to our overpopulation problem. Please let's all kill each other and stop making more people! (Just joking... sort of. ;) )

I don't see any DD "adults only" artist as a perv. I've just always been either bored or repulsed by porn, no offense to those who create it.

You guys don't know what perverted is until you take a look at Abraxa's Page [abraxa.darklands.cx].

But in all honesty, Abraxa's my idol. Both for his line-art and water coloring skills but also how he expresses his fantasies through his art. I think up of some pretty nasty things, but society hs taught us to keep everything dirty inside so whenever I try to draw it on paper, I end up censoring myself.

Art, literature, and music are just different forms of expressing yourself and I don't see people who draw adult comics as being perverted at all. I have a much different opinion if someone is an animal-lover or something in real life, but most people I know use art as a way to escape real life so they don't have to emulate it.

The perverticity of the author never even enters my mind when I see a comic labeled "A." In fact, I generally think..."Oh, I'm an "Adult" or "Mature" that's for me!"

Plus, what is perverse to one is not perverted to all. People have different backgrounds and morals, where you see perverse...I more than likely see "Prude" for even thinkin' someone's "art" or "written expression" is "perverted." Who am I to judge? Artists and Writers should have free reign to express themselves however they want, I'm not their momma...If I don't like it, I don't have to partake...But, I do have to respect their choice of content. It's theirs. Not mine. I'm not a fan of censorship (warnings are necessary) in any way, or prejudging based on labels.

Of course, there are exceptions---projects done for shock value and the sort...But, no to answer the initial question, I don't.

My general take on "A" rated and "M" rated comics is that they're neither adult nor mature. In fact, they're immature. I'm more likely to think that the authors of such comics are that than I will that they're perverted. Perversion is the commerce of our times (which is another way of saying that perversion is the norm instead of the exception). I think it takes a different kind of person altogether to put it out there for everyone to see.

Nah, when I see a DD artist named "Ozoneocean" I think he's some kind of pervert.

skoolmunkee
Nah, when I see a DD artist named "Ozoneocean" I think he's some kind of pervert.

The best kind ;)

usedbooks

Neilsama
Personally, I think it's strange that society is more afraid of kids seeing graphic sex than violence. If anything, it should be the other way around.

Nah, it's a subconscious reaction to our overpopulation problem. Please let's all kill each other and stop making more people! (Just joking... sort of. ;) )

wow, usedbooks... I lul'd. a lot.

as to my personal opinion... (oh and I suppose I'm referring to comics like Grind, rather than just comics that are SO INTENSE! that they simply need an A rating) I just assume that the person who makes the comic is a very good samaritan. think of it this way: for internet porn, you have to pay to get the good stuff. (free porn... it's usually there to reel you in and inspire you to buy the rest of the porn, right?) So when someone posts that kinda stuff for free, it's like, "free porn? wow, lothar really does care."
I mean, everyone knows sex happens. sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad. but at least in the idealized world of comics, it's always good, am I right?
*hands all the Adults Only comic authors bouquets*
hehehe!

skoolmunkee
Nah, when I see a DD artist named "Ozoneocean" I think he's some kind of pervert.

Somebody agrees with me. :)

Angry_black_guy: Abraxa's work is referencing an early form of Japanese aesthetic material called 'ero guro' in other words, the erotic grotesque. This theme has been getting a big revival lately because of some Japanese film makers who are tackling the genre once again and exposing it to the slightly more mainstream. If you like his work, it would probably do you some good to try and hunt down older ero guro manga from the eighties in japan. They're really difficult to find but as far as creative scope, bizarre/surreal imagery and absolutely manic artwork, you can't find any better. It was a wonderful time in manga history. There was a lot of creativity within the genre, as opposed to current trends that reproduce the same crap over and over.

I'm not a great fan of the way Abraxa cutesifies everything but I suppose, he's going for the 'attraction/repulsion' aesthetic. I think Junko Mizuno does this as well, although neither appeal to me graphically, I do really appreciate the watercolour style Abraxa uses to bring his characters to life. He picks up where some manga versions of ero guro, were lacking.

Yep, that's pretty much the size of it.

I changed my own rating from E to M on Drunk Duck because of the subject matter. There's some violence and some swearing and some sex (sort of). Sometimes people give themselves an adult rating because they don't want parents to think their kids weren't warned up front.

That's why I did it.

Who isn't SOME kind of pervert? I keep my comic pretty PG-rated, because (A) it's emulating a Silver Age feel and (B) Some characters are better off without having much of a sex life. Sherlock Holmes and (perhaps closer to my character) Dana Sculley come to mind. When Sculley and Mulder started getting romantic and intimate, the series went down the drain. (Besides, I'm trying to make a modern Athena, and an active sex life would ruin the feel.)

Now, if I ever did a webcomic about one of MM's enemies, MOODSWING, then I'd consider it. Sex is great if appropriate for the comic, but some comics are better off without it. I REALLY don't want particularly to know all the graphic details about Superman and Lois' sex life, or what the Hulk does to relieve sexual tension.

(Honesty struggling through.) Well...sometimes. But I don't want it made canon in the comic.

---Al

Who isn't a pervert in some way? ;) But then again, that word can mean anything so it shouldn't count for anything in my opinion. Oops, just noticed Alschroeder said something very similar.

But I guess I do think that way at first, and the author has to prove me wrong. I don't want to read a comic filled with graphic sex and violence if there isn't a plot to go along with it. Heck, my porn shouldn't have plots, and my comics shouldn't have porn. At least, that's how the perfect world works in my opinion. :)

But that said, there are some good Adult comics on here, among the fairly juvenile ones.

I'm quite glad the comic moved to M myself, thanks to ozone *tips his hat*

The funny thing about pornographic comics is that, IME, small press publishers of porn are more likely to pay their artists than similarly sized small press publishers, and there's less competition for the jobs. Less competition + more money = win. I say this while working on a paid porn project ;)

To be entirely honest, the odds of a M rated comic being mature seem a little low, but I'm more likely to give them the benefit of the doubt. When it's done right, it can be amazing. I read Omaha the Cat Dancer when I was... oh... 11. I knew it had a lot of sex in it, but I had no concept of pornography at the time, so I read it purely for the story. The sex made sense and was actually used to provide characterization.

So, when I find an M webcomic, I assume the creator is probably immature, pray that they're awesome, and then give it a shot.

Naw, your all just sneaky little bastards trying to hide from the younger world that your comics is about happy pancakes dancing to Disney songs.

I'M ON TO YOU!!!! OH YOU ALL KNOW I'M SO ON TO AALLL OF YOU A RATED ARTIST!!!!!!!

If it's written well I don't mind. Chronicles of Wyrden were rated A/M and I liked it. I haven't read Lost Girls yet (can't find it and I really have other books I want to get that Alan Moore wrote)