FIGHT!

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:D

haha1 love the coffin shadow! GET HIM HOBBES!

Go Snoopy!
Though knowing Snoopy, this fight is probably just a figment of his imagination. XP

Red Baron FTW!

This needs to be an entire comic.

I had the misfortune of never reading Calvin and Hobbes as a child. :(

Hobbes would kick Snoopy's ass. Next you should have Charlie Brown vs Calvin.

Senshuu
Red Baron FTW!

This needs to be an entire comic.

I had the misfortune of never reading Calvin and Hobbes as a child. :(

then you're stilla child. you can never grow up until you've read calvin and hobbes. it's a law of nature.

Go Hobbes!

machinehead
Hobbes would kick Snoopy's ass. Next you should have Charlie Brown vs Calvin.

Oh dear God. Charlie Brown vs. Calvin. That poor little bald kid would get torn apart.

Go Hobbes! I love Snoopy but, come on, Beagle vs. Tiger. Go Hobbes!

PIT_FACE

Senshuu
Red Baron FTW!

This needs to be an entire comic.

I had the misfortune of never reading Calvin and Hobbes as a child. :(

then you're stilla child. you can never grow up until you've read calvin and hobbes. it's a law of nature.

It's true!

I'm considering buying the huge compilation book.

Senshuu
Red Baron FTW!

This needs to be an entire comic.

I had the misfortune of never reading Calvin and Hobbes as a child. :(

calvin and hobbes is the best comic strip ever. thats not just fanboy talking or anything. read the strip. study its layers and depth and how it utterly mocks the current status of other newspaper strips at the time. its pure brilliance.

and snoopy is a pompous ass. go hobbes.



look at the way watterson completely removes panel gutters and everything until the last panel. also notice the sheer size of this strip. this was a sunday comic. watterson wanted more room for his sunday strips and he eventually got it and it was for the better. no comic strip before or since has ever put this much experimentation or thought into its process, either in the papers or on the web.

NickGuy
calvin and hobbes is the best comic strip ever. thats not just fanboy talking or anything. read the strip. study its layers and depth and how it utterly mocks the current status of other newspaper strips at the time. its pure brilliance.

and snoopy is a pompous ass. go hobbes.

Um... Charles Schultz wasn't exactly a slouch when it came to creating comic strips.

no he definately wasnt...but C&H completely destroyed everything that came before it.

Man those were the good old days. I remember reading Calvin and Hobbes everyday and clipping it out of the paper. When they finally stopped running I was so upset.

zaymac

NickGuy
calvin and hobbes is the best comic strip ever. thats not just fanboy talking or anything. read the strip. study its layers and depth and how it utterly mocks the current status of other newspaper strips at the time. its pure brilliance.

and snoopy is a pompous ass. go hobbes.

Um... Charles Schultz wasn't exactly a slouch when it came to creating comic strips.

What about Family Circus?



You can see the utter resentment in the father's expression towards his children, and you can tell that the mother is irritated by the fact that her husband is an alcoholic that shows disdain toward the law as well as very foundation of order itself.

This comic is twistedly funny!

I've read some Calvin & Hobbes. It's a good comic strip but I don't see what's so revolutionary about it. Well I guess it depends on how old C&H is, and what came before it in the newspaper strip medium. Yeah, ok, 2 childish characters speaking out-of-age while doing age-appropriate things... that's pretty cool... but didn't Snoopy do that already?

And... gutterless comic strip panels... Um, yeah? So?

machinehead
Hobbes would kick Snoopy's ass. Next you should have Charlie Brown vs Calvin.

I picture Snoopy turning around pulling out a revolver and firing a neat little hole through Hobbe's head. :(
"BANG"
*flop*
-Snoopy puts the gun away, turns around again and walks away.

You see, Hobbes was just crazy insane, but snoopy was calculating and evil.

Hobbes! Hobbes! Hobbes! Hobbes!

I only learned about Calvin & Hobbes through some anthologies that one of my mom's friends had. Man am I glad I decided to read those all day instead of playing outside!

mlai
I've read some Calvin & Hobbes. It's a good comic strip but I don't see what's so revolutionary about it. Well I guess it depends on how old C&H is, and what came before it in the newspaper strip medium. Yeah, ok, 2 childish characters speaking out-of-age while doing age-appropriate things... that's pretty cool... but didn't Snoopy do that already?

And... gutterless comic strip panels... Um, yeah? So?

Not so much the content of what he was doing...but what he did with his sunday strips. he fought to get his sunday strips back to the old size...he wanted space, room, freedom. look at comic strips today in the paper. they are so small and cramped. newspaper comics are dying a worse death than comic books.

I read Bill Watterson's wiki and yeah, I have to admire his principles. He fought for his artist integrity and against commercialism. Though if I were him I'd have kept doing Calvin & Hobbes, and merchandised everything into the ground lol. Either he won Lotto and didn't tell anyone about it... or he's secretly a monk. Something.

I probably read C&H when I was too young, so I don't appreciate it much. That strip is made for college-age readers as the minimum age group.

mlai
I read Bill Watterson's wiki and yeah, I have to admire his principles. He fought for his artist integrity and against commercialism. Though if I were him I'd have kept doing Calvin & Hobbes, and merchandised everything into the ground lol. Either he won Lotto and didn't tell anyone about it... or he's secretly a monk. Something.

I probably read C&H when I was too young, so I don't appreciate it much. That strip is made for college-age readers as the minimum age group.

I think he got paid a bit more than is the normal going rate for his work because of how popular it was and how much he put into it. I know he had an exceptionally good relationship with his publisher and it wasn't about money in the slightest for him. It was all about producing the kind of quality in newspaper comics that he remembered from his childhood.

Personally, I've always disliked Peanuts. I just found it dry, kind of depressing and boring. Family Circus I disdain even more as it doesn't even have a bad joke 99% of the time, it just shows a picture with a caption. Strangely enough though, the cartoonists people seem to most compare me to are Gary Larson and Charles Schultz.

a small beagle vs a tiger? are we talking in a fight or in general? Hobbes still wins eitherways, I never liked snoopy I found him very annoying.

Eddie Jensen
a small beagle vs a tiger? are we talking in a fight or in general? Hobbes still wins eitherways, I never liked snoopy I found him very annoying.

No effing WAY man!

Hobbes is nothing but a stuffed toy, his only animation is givven to him by Calvin's imagination. And besides, he's just plain dopey, not very vicious at all.

Snoopy on the other hand had a life of his own and intelligence beyond the humans in his world. He's calculating, cold, and methodical. He would slowly disect Hobbes and make a costume out of the bits. ;)

lba
Personally, I've always disliked Peanuts. I just found it dry, kind of depressing and boring. Family Circus I disdain even more as it doesn't even have a bad joke 99% of the time, it just shows a picture with a caption. Strangely enough though, the cartoonists people seem to most compare me to are Gary Larson and Charles Schultz.

Peanuts is mystical. It went beyond funny and the sort of comentary philosphy that Calvin and Hobbes was at decades ago. Peanuts was something more subtle... Simply because the writer had been around so long. It was the outlook of age and perspective. ...but yeah, not as funny.

Family Circus is just plain creepy and dogmatic. If the Talibhan had cartoonists, they'd have their own version of that comic.

I can't take sides, I like them both! Acadia, that is just AWESOME.

Before people disrespect Snoopy further though, remember that Watterson was a big fan and even said as much that he was influenced by Schulz's Peanuts strips.
I also wanted to discuss a comment here since this is derailed a bit anyway...

NickGuy
no comic strip before or since has ever put this much experimentation or thought into its process, either in the papers or on the web.

While I agree that C&H was a great, revolutionary strip and all (Hell, sometimes it's pretty obvious in my early work that Watterson was one of my biggest influence, even if mine was badly drawn...) but I have to disagree that he's the only one and has remained so. His work, like many, was a result of being influenced by great works that came before him. C&H wouldn't be the same comic if not for the likes of Walt Kelly's "Pogo", the aforementioned Peanuts, but mostly George Herriman's Krazy Kat . It's hard to deny that there's some similarity even with Winsor Mckay's "Little Nemo in Slumberland" But I didn't just pull this all off the Wiki page, I'm a pretty big fan of these comics myself and I did happen to read him say as much that these are the elements of C&H in one of his books. Just looking at any one of them will prove that point! :)


Comics like "Non Sequiter" and "Lio" (I couldn't find the cool one I saw before) have made interesting use of their Sunday formats as well, though NS's method seems to cater to the newspaper in that it can be a strip or a column. That is making good use of the space though, so they can't displace them like "bricks" and ruin the pacing. It's not the same indeed, but I don't doubt there's someone out there trying. We don't want everyone trying to be Calvin & Hobbes though, just like we don't want every comic to be "The Far Side".
As for the web? I don't get around much, but I have seen some pretty experimental stuff, it's probably not the sort that appeals to you or I though.

By the way, Bill lives a somewhat hermit life somewhere in Ohio, he used to go to the local book stores and autograph his books and put them back on the shelves so anyone who bought them would have a nice surprise when they opened them up. That is, until some JERKHOLES decided to go to every store in his area, buy them all and then E-bay them off, so he hasn't done it since. Idiots...they ruin everything!

As more things move to the web though, newspaper strips are only going to continue getting the shaft...as they see it the paper is for news and not comics, the original intent of comics really being a thing of the past by now. Comics were intended to appeal to poor immigrants, most of which were either illiterate or non-English speaking. Since that's no longer the goal of the papers, they're just going to shove the crosswords on there too and squeeze the comics into an ugly blob. Some here don't even have room to tell you who the second artist or writer is!

Well its pretty much Imagination Snoopy vs imagination Hobbes it seems, hence hobbes would win as he is much larger and sharper.

Eddie Jensen
Well its pretty much Imagination Snoopy vs imagination Hobbes it seems, hence hobbies would win as he is much larger and sharper.

Wrong. Snoopy is a real dog in his world. Not only that, but a human level smart one. Hobbies is a only in his world- Calvin is where all his life comes from, but snoopy doesn't NEED Charlie Brown. ;)

no no I don't mean Snoopy isn't a real dog in the story I know he is, but I'm saying in this picture its snoopy's imagination VS the imagination version of Hobbes and in that case Hobbes would win.

Amelius
I can't take sides, I like them both! Acadia, that is just AWESOME.

Before people disrespect Snoopy further though, remember that Watterson was a big fan and even said as much that he was influenced by Schulz's Peanuts strips.
I also wanted to discuss a comment here since this is derailed a bit anyway...

NickGuy
no comic strip before or since has ever put this much experimentation or thought into its process, either in the papers or on the web.

While I agree that C&H was a great, revolutionary strip and all (Hell, sometimes it's pretty obvious in my early work that Watterson was one of my biggest influence, even if mine was badly drawn...) but I have to disagree that he's the only one and has remained so. His work, like many, was a result of being influenced by great works that came before him. C&H wouldn't be the same comic if not for the likes of Walt Kelly's "Pogo", the aforementioned Peanuts, but mostly George Herriman's Krazy Kat . It's hard to deny that there's some similarity even with Winsor Mckay's "Little Nemo in Slumberland" But I didn't just pull this all off the Wiki page, I'm a pretty big fan of these comics myself and I did happen to read him say as much that these are the elements of C&H in one of his books. Just looking at any one of them will prove that point! :)


Comics like "Non Sequiter" and "Lio" (I couldn't find the cool one I saw before) have made interesting use of their Sunday formats as well, though NS's method seems to cater to the newspaper in that it can be a strip or a column. That is making good use of the space though, so they can't displace them like "bricks" and ruin the pacing. It's not the same indeed, but I don't doubt there's someone out there trying. We don't want everyone trying to be Calvin & Hobbes though, just like we don't want every comic to be "The Far Side".
As for the web? I don't get around much, but I have seen some pretty experimental stuff, it's probably not the sort that appeals to you or I though.

Most definately...in fact Watterson references other papers. what I like though is that he was one of the people to realize the shrinking space, and he fought it...whether succesffully or not, he made noise. I respect artists who make noise.

ozoneocean
Snoopy on the other hand had a life of his own and intelligence beyond the humans in his world. He's calculating, cold, and methodical. He would slowly disect Hobbes and make a costume out of the bits. ;)

You really do make him sound evil!

I've been working on another one. This one has Hobbes and Snoopy in a dogfight over the Himalayas. :D

I loved Calvin and Hobbes. I just don't ever rememeber Peanuts being that funny. Calvin and Hobbes wasn't just funny though, it was deep. It made you look at things comics shouldn't have made you look at. Peanuts was a bunch of semi-retarded kids doing things I found unamusing. They run classic peanuts, which draws strips from the past 15 years, and I can't tell what decade either of them are from because they dont say anything culturally relevant.

But yeah. Snoopy would win because he's alive, and he has real fangs and real claws. Sort of. If they were both "alive," unarmed and what, then Hobbes would win for sure. He fights all the time for the hell of it, plus he's a tiger. Otherwise, Snoopy, being a pilot, would just radio in some artillery and kill everything for twenty square blocks.