I've learned 2 tips from famous Korean comic artist and I want to share it to you guys...


1.Comic Is Drawn By Butt
Lee Doo Ho

It doesn't mean put your pencils inside...you know.It mean if you start drawing comic,you should keep on drawing it till you see the end.You shouldn't quit drawing or take a rest after drawing for 10 minute or so.You must be sitted and concentrate on your drawings no matter what happen.And then,You'll be a famous comic author someday



2.Comic Is Drawn By Feet
Hyeo Young Mhan

It doesn't mean put your pencil between your toes.It mean you have to move a lot to make a comic.I personally think most of the people here need this advice.A comic need really a lot of imformation and internet is not the best way for the research.You have to visit that place and see it with your own eyes.That will make your comic's drawings more realistic and it will make your drawings quality better

Finally I have an excuse to visit Antarctica!

Comic drawn by feet, huh?
If you need me....I'll be in the magical world of Harkovast!
*disapears*

harkovast
Comic drawn by feet, huh?
If you need me....I'll be in the magical world of Harkovast!
*disapears*

Maybe you should visit the museum or something

Perhaps for a moment you should get off your high horse. I've travelled around the world, been to many famous places, walked in many museums in my time. However, you come across as extremely condescending with this post and many others. Several of the artists here take inspiration from real life places.

How do you know that Hark there hasn't been in a museum for instance? Are you psychic, or do you have hidden cameras in his house?

skoolmunkee
Finally I have an excuse to visit Antarctica!

Funny thing, I have always wanted to go there.

Doctor Shadow
or do you have hidden cameras in his house?

Harks house?
Are you mad??!!

I wouldn't want to be on the watching end :(

hahaha!

Ocean dont worry, you wouldn't see any nudity spying on my house!
I have my furr suit on at all times!

Mamaya- I am surprised by your assumption that I do not frequent museums (I do, my favourite being the Royal Armouries in Leeds)
I take great interest in history and my comic draws tremendous amounts of inspiration from historical sources and cultures that I have learned about.

I think it is ironic that someone who is saying we should only write about what we know, is writing about me, a person they know nothing about.
I think perhaps you should work less on "writing with your feet" and more on "practicing what you preach".

*peers* Assumptions annoy the crap out of me.
But there again I only do crap loads of research on armour, clothing, poses, buildings etc for the art that pays the bills, namely the illustrations and cartography I do.

*Shrugs* Not everyone knows that, but thats because Wyrden is my fun art place, which is why I call myself Reva Flynn and not Hellion which is the more professional moniker I use on the appropriate forums etc.

I get my inspiration from all kinds of places. Many of the locations in Wyrden are based on real ones, past and present. Arabellas mansion for example is based upon a mansion in the village where I grew up as a child. The staircase interior is also real.

Oh yes...the comic this week was drawn when I was in crap loads of pain after a hospital visit... I don't think that labels me as a quitter...Stark raving batshit for attempting it maybe!

Don't dictate to people how to approach their craft, I've been drawing professionally for nigh on 19 years now and I think I've got the hang of it;)

Methinks Mamaya was merely suggesting that if Hark can't physically find reference because the Harkovast world doesn't exist outside his imagination, that the museum was a close enough alternative to visit for a inspirational walk & observe. I don't think she intended to sound presumptuous about his frequency of visits! a snappy answer for a snappy answer, you know?

@ Doctor Shadow and Eva Flynn, I think you two are the ones making assumptions here. That's a real poor way to respond to someone who's just posting tips from two artists she likes.

Someone
"All of you here have one hundred thousand bad drawings in you. The sooner you get rid of them, the better it will be for everyone,"

There, now I'm a presumptuous, high-horse riding dictator too. How dare I offer advice to people! I'm a fiend!

She's not wrong either. Most people on this site could stand to take this advice, myself included. I don't get my undies in a bundle when someone offers general advice to a forum. If you're doing things your own way, cool, but why are you being acting like she's directing this at you? It's not like she called you out by name and started scolding you for not following the advice of 2 pros she respects. And what other threads was she being condescending in? The one where she asked why people weren't reading the comics she translates for or the one asking people to join the fan art contest? I frequent (lurk in) this forum too and I have absoultely no idea where you're getting this impression. A little attention starved maybe, but condescending? I've NEVER gotten that impression!
Perhaps you feel that way because English is probably not her native language and you're putting the wrong intonation on what she says? Something to consider you know... as well as considering that she's offering advice as an appreciator of art rather than an artist. She translates comics, I'm not aware that she draws any of them (correct me if I'm mistaken). It's pretty easy for one to think that this is advice that most artists aren't aware of when you're not knee deep in the experience yourself. You know what they say, those who can't do, teach!

harkovast
I have my furr suit on at all times!

@Harkovast: Mahahaha! Art thou in pursuit of a hirsute fur-suit?

Amelius presumes it's a girl >:-(

XD I did that at 1st too =p
I was about to say similar to what Amy said, I don't see the condescending tone others are seeing.

Though if I could combine my feet with my butt I would be the best artist ever! And here I thought that was just a talent for crazy fetish vids! XD

Though I can't do the whole draw till completion step. My vision starts getting blurry after a while... my butt is so useless :'(

I can see your point there Amelius, perhaps I am indeed putting a different tone than the one that's implied. It's pretty tricky to guage such things via the medium of text however. I've seen this particular kind of post before repeated quite a few times.

I suppose really I shouldn't let it bother me, normally I don't.

Drawing till completion would kill me, if I drew.

I don't however, I write and if I applied that to the writing I do...phew...I'd have to get new eyes, since the average project racks in at around 10,000 words or more.

JNP: that mental image made me laugh.

@Jnp: Oops! It's all the girly comics he has there, I feel horrible now! I had this nagging feeling though whenever I typed out "her" though...maybe I oughta ninja edit that. No, my mistake is outed already, forgive me mamaya!!!
Oh, and would it look like this with butt and feet combined?
(that's from Wallace Tripp's Wurst Seller, first image that sprang to mind!)


Doctor Shadow: Hey it's alright, I just got a little defensive because I've been on the receiving end of misconstrued post intention before, and it kinda sucks when you're playfully ribbing and someone gets their feathers ruffled about it :( I hope I didn't sound too scoldy there before!

Drawing till completion does kill (my knees because I sit on them!) but I think that as someone who does that anyway I didn't see anything wrong with the advice :) Of course I don't get up except for potty breaks when I'm working! I've been too distracted today though, hmmm...

Amelius I originally gave an angrier response, but toned it down a bit for the reasons you stated.

And considering how hard I find to type in these big furry gloves, you should be grateful!
Here I am at the local furrmeet (that is a furry convention for you humies)

@ Amelius: Nah, the heal is totally his butt there! I think I'd look a lot freakier XP

@Harkovast: put some pants on! what kind of furry are you?!!!

Hark, you're scarring your children! Scarring their eyes and their minds.


OK, now that the misunderstanding about meaning seems to have been cleared up, maybe we can talk about how some of us already do/don't follow those tips?

I can't draw for too long at a time, I get bored with it. I suspect if I drew MORE I'd have more tolerance for doing it for longer periods, but I don't so I can't. I usually can't focus for more than an hour, two at the most. And usually I have to have a movie or something going in the background.

I do try and draw things I've seen in life, or referenced somehow. Places like Wal-mart and Ikea aren't too exciting though. :[ You all just wait til my Antarctica story though. Which should be starting, um... like July or something. I'm slow.


Who is gonna draw something with their foot and their butt so we can guess which?

I love to experience life in all aspects, and so much of it is great material for writing/drawing! Sometimes I use that as an excuse for trip expenses. Someone says there's a trip opportunity, and I'll hesitate because it takes away valuable work time (and money), but then I rationalize "Hey, what a great chance for new material/inspiration!"

When drawing, I take breaks between each step. It helps me stay fresh and enthusiastic. Not a long break, mind you. I will not let the sun go down on a page. But I need to rest for my mind and body. I used to have bad arthritis, so if I didn't pace myself, I wouldn't be able to draw for days. That's not productive or healthy. -_- So, if I take 10 minutes every couple hours, then I don't have to worry about that.

I think all of my creative endeavors benefit from occasional breaks of a day or two. When I come back to it fresh, I can fix some of my bad art habits or can proofread/critique things with the fresh eyes of an observer rather than the biased eyes of the creator.

If the "butt" thing refers not to breaks while drawing or taking a few days to reflect but instead to setting your work aside for an extended period (weeks or months), I definitely understand that. When I was writing novels, the death of a project was inevitable if I set it aside for any amount of time. If it didn't die completely, I lost my mood/direction and it simply didn't flow as well.

I can usually do about 5-10,000 words a day on writing. I once cracked out an emergency whopping 60,000 words in one day without a break and it damn near killed me :)

I was paid very well for that though, so it was all good. There's a reason I wear glasses now though ;)

Doctor Shadow
Perhaps for a moment you should get off your high horse. I've travelled around the world, been to many famous places, walked in many museums in my time. However, you come across as extremely condescending with this post and many others. Several of the artists here take inspiration from real life places.

How do you know that Hark there hasn't been in a museum for instance? Are you psychic, or do you have hidden cameras in his house?

Well,I did said "maybe"...

Amelius
@Jnp: Oops! It's all the girly comics he has there, I feel horrible now! I had this nagging feeling though whenever I typed out "her" though...maybe I oughta ninja edit that. No, my mistake is outed already, forgive me mamaya!!!
Oh, and would it look like this with butt and feet combined?
(that's from Wallace Tripp's Wurst Seller, first image that sprang to mind!)

I do forgive you...
But YOu must know that the only girly comic is Pink Lady...
And also,The original artist is a MAN!!!
I was pretty shock at this as well...

Amelius
@Jnp: Oops! It's all the girly comics he has there, I feel horrible now! I had this nagging feeling though whenever I typed out "her" though...maybe I oughta ninja edit that. No, my mistake is outed already, forgive me mamaya!!!
Oh, and would it look like this with butt and feet combined?
(that's from Wallace Tripp's Wurst Seller, first image that sprang to mind!)


Doctor Shadow: Hey it's alright, I just got a little defensive because I've been on the receiving end of misconstrued post intention before, and it kinda sucks when you're playfully ribbing and someone gets their feathers ruffled about it :( I hope I didn't sound too scoldy there before!

Drawing till completion does kill (my knees because I sit on them!) but I think that as someone who does that anyway I didn't see anything wrong with the advice :) Of course I don't get up except for potty breaks when I'm working! I've been too distracted today though, hmmm...

That image is definitely scary...

As for scoldy, no worries :)

I'd like to see a girl artist draw with her bum... ^^

If she sat in paint that is... I'm not talking pencils or anything. No, that would be GROSS! >.<

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After everything everyone has said, I still have no idea what mamaya94 is on about.

If it's about drawing till you drop, that doesn't work for me. If I draw for too long everything turns out crap. I THINK it's good at the time, but in reality it's just not. When I come back to work on it the next day I see just how crappy and full of errors it is. It works better if I give it up after a while and come back to it later.
-Working too long on something for me is bad because my judgment becomes impaired.

ozone: It boils down to: draw until your image is finished, which for some artists can take a long time. Consider the big mural style paintings of the late 80's and 90's that Larry Elmore and Clyde Caldwell did for D&D and novel covers.

The second point is: get out and experience the places, things and so on that you want to draw. Not so easy if you're doing a World War II supernazisteampunk style comic I imagine, with clockwork zeppelins.

But going to museums and so forth, that's helpful. Of course not every artist has the funds to travel the world and see things like the pyramids, so the internet is definitely an overlooked medium, as are books on places like Cairo and so on.

allow me to get on my high horse for a moment an say ---
getting offended by the advice of others is the path to mediocrity

and LULZ

Done, dusted, over...but thank you for having the 4Chan maturity to bring it back up. S'preciated.

How about sharing your thoughts on the subject?

Since lulz is about as useful as a chocolate fireguard.

@mamaya: Thank you ^_^ also, I was just in panic mode, I know your comic's aren't all girly, I meant to say your avatar which made me think female because of that foot-stomping action going on in it :) whenever I viewed it askance I swore that foot was a little higher up in the kick and I was reminded of the comment I got for having one of my male characters get kicked in the "area", when they said that it seems only females draw that happening (not true I pointed out though!) so I guess that leaked into my subconscious. I failed to connect with the fact that you just translate for them though, hehe! By the way, if it makes you feel any better, before DD crashed people mistook me for a guy all the time (and my handle was Zerlocke at the time) and in fact occasionally they still do!
Sorry again about the girly comic thing, those comics are pretty cool actually. I was checking them out a while ago but time is pretty short around here lately so I haven't gone through them all yet, it's kinda that way with nearly every comic I'm reading these days (and I should be working now but high winds blipped my computer's power off the other day and I have to start over now!)

@ozone: I could be mistaken but the way I interpreted it, it's not so much "draw till your fingers snap like dry twigs!" but is supposed to communicate that once you sit down to a project, don't distract yourself. I doubt that guy either does or advocates pumping out all 100 pages of manwha/manga/comics in one go, I'm pretty sure what's missing here is "set a reasonable goal and meet it before the end of the day" Considering that comic artists like him probably have hellishly short deadlines for their work, that's a pretty standard tip for the industry he's working in! OF course if you've got some sort of OCD too then you do start projects and can't stop till they're done...it's hard to pry me off making pipe cleaner sculptures and when I'm having a reeeal great art day it's hard to make me stop working except for potty breaks and even then I wait until there's pain to pull myself out of the workzone!

Heh, bum paintings...I'm pretty sure there's someone out there already who does it!

Amelius: I bet youtube has a few videos of it too!

Doctor Shadow
How about sharing your thoughts on the subject?

i think a lot of artists take themselves way too seriously .theres no need for maturity . especially drawing comics on the internet , everybuddy needs to step back and say "wut the hellz am i doin ? " cuz its all just for fun in the end . dont kid youreselves people . if we were serious artists we wouldnt be jerkin around in a forum .
and i think thats the sentiment expressed byt the OP "keep your ass on the chair" AT your DRAWING desk ! not at the internet ~! this is prolly a touchy subject for a lot of people , if you're anything like me theres always this nagging feeling that you should be doing more drawing and less skrewing around

it reminds me of the same thing a famous artists from the old days said
something like - all the wanna-be artists are out in the bars having fun , but the "real" artists are locked away in their dank studios painting . that's why they are succesfull , but not very happy , most of the time
i forgot who said it

i'm not trying to preach here , cuz im always finding excusses to not do art, like rite now

I have to admit, I often find excuses to mix what I do with posting on forums, I get what you mean though. It's a good saying, can't remember who said it but it was definitely a famous artist from the past. I know a few artists, like Larry Elmore, Jeffery Butler, Ralph Horsley...who buckle down and do a heck of a lot of painting/art, yet they still kick back online too.