As Aqua would have said:

Aqua
Serious business now guys, serious faces on.

Does having a good comic mean that you get more respect or get treated better while your posting in the forums?

You know what I mean, when you are posting in a thread where intellectual opinions are required, do you think the people with better comics get more respect than say somebody with a sprite comic that has very little effort put into it?

For instance, would somebody with a very popular comic like...silent kitty get her opinions respected because they know she has great artistic talent and a great comics? On the other side of the coin, would someone with the lowest quality sprite comic that burns your eyes opinions be valued lesser than silent kitty's opinion? Or would it just purely be judged on the quality of the argument and the comic plays no factor at all?

Also, does it effect the friends you make around the site, as in who you add and comment and such?

What are your thoughts?

(Sorry for the spam by the way. :()

Ahaha. No worries with the spam, but why are you posting this in the Top Drawer at all Bek?

This belongs in the comics section I'd say, because it's a nice serious, sensible post. So I'll move it forthwith.
(woot, I just used "forthwith"!)

In answer to the question: NO. People with great comics can also be stupid.We've seen it time after time (a lot of people think my comic is good but some people still think I'm an idiot. ^_^). And people with simple comics can be really interesting and fun! I've seen that time and again. Comic quality has no correlation to personality or intelligence. But I don't know about other people's perceptions though.

I actually put it in Top Drawer by mistake! I thought I had GD else open!

I think it would have been better in General Discussion...but your the boss! :)

(I goes here...)

I do respect people with better comics more, and I do usually like them more. I think the main thing has to do with age. Younger people, who tend to have worse comics, tend to more stupid, while people who put a lot of thought and time into their comic,usually older people, tend to think about everything more.

I'm gonna have to say yes to the question.

If it's an art/writing/comics/media related question, of course more weight will be put on the opinions of ppl who show they are better in those areas. It's not about etiquette.

If it's about irrelevant debate/discussion issues, there's less bearing. But, ppl who have quality comics are more likely to be older, more mature, more intellectual ppl than ppl with sprite comics evidently made by a pre-teen. There are definite exceptions.

There are potentially more ego problems regarding serious artists, but DD is a much friendlier place currently than most artist communities I've experienced. Must be the DD population sample, such as the high level of estrogen. :kitty:

I don't think so.

Like OO said, what a person's art looks like really has very little to do with their personality, and, I can't speak for everyone on this, but - I have a very bad memory. I can't keep people's comics straight with their usernames half the time, so I wouldn't really base my opinion of someone's forum post on whether or not I like their comic because a lot of the time, I don't remember what their comic is. =p

Of course, I could also say that it depends on what the discussion is about. If the discussion is about comic technique, or writing, or art techniques - yeah. I'll take a look at the person's comic to see where they're coming from, and I can't honestly say that I wouldn't be a little bit biased if there were art tips coming from a poorly done MS paint artist vs someone who does professional looking art. But then again, sometimes people who can't draw to save their lives have very good perspectives on art, even if they can't do it themselves.

...I don't even know what my point is anymore, so I'll stop rambling. lol!

If we're (you and me specifically) having a debate ... or for all intents and purposes, an argument on the ITARDnetz!lol!101011! etc ... unless it is specifically about your comic and/or art ... then no, it doesn't really faze me too much.

If your art actually has something to do with the discussion then yeah, it kind of has to factor into the discussion and thus my responses.

But if we're off on some tangent, like arguing which Marvel comic sucks the most ... who would win in a fight Lindsay or Paris ... how much you'd bet on Michael Vick's Pitbull ... or why XM Radio is as dead as regular radio ... your comic won't save you from my internet wrath.

;)

I would say I would definitely respect more the opinion of someone whose comic I admired when it came to general comics views and advice. Because if you admire their work you are likely to be subscribing to some of their creative values. But that doesn't mean you agree with all or any of what they say. It won't be so much I don't like someones comic though as, don't read it...

It's actually a really tricky question. I haven't read the comics most of the people who post regularly. That means I don't consider their comic at all when I think about their posts.

Those I've read I may hold a little higher than the others if it's a comic I really like. It's probably because they've "proven" capable of writing a good story, and therefor should be able to say what they mean in a nice and orderly manner if they choose.
But I know that's not always the truth. Sometimes great writers/artists can be the worst bastards. Or choose to act silly (and I'd say I'm one of the latter, not that I consider myself especially clever).

Other things I try to consider is that people may be bad spellers but still have good points. I know I'm missing letters and gods-know-what in my posts. But I try to get my comic right when it needs to be. So a badly spelled post can be okay, but a continiously very badly spelled comic would tend to reflect badly on other things theat person does.

So, in short, I'd say that it does have an effect no matter how objective you try to be.

I'm going to have to say that I'm biased. When Ozone Ocean, Silentkitty, or Ian from Freefall Drift give me advice or say anything on a forum, I'm more likely to side with them. Their art is fantastic, and I guess that leads to me admiring them as people, which leads to me giving them a lot of admiration towards what they say, too.

I Literally NEVER check a person's comic after reading their opinions. NEVER. I don't care whether they are talented or not.

I also never even *consider* someone's work when evaluating their input. I'm sorry, but to do so is just... well, to put it mildly, silly. I know that sounds harsh, but I know people who can't draw a squiggly line who still see things I miss. Who cares what their talent level is? Seriously. You have to be good to be valid?

I may not agree with their comment, but that is because I don't agree, not because their work is sub par in my opinion.

Some of the most talented people in this industry are also the most vapid (no, I won't give names).

Seriously, to judge the validity of someone's input through the (percieved) level of their talent, is to REALLY miss the mark.

Very bad idea.

Later,
Chip

I will have to agree with Chip.

I take all posts into consideration and never look at their level of art. If the art level or talent of people was the gauge of how much their opinion weighs, then I am curious to see how come art critics of all kinds (with usually mediocre, low or unknown talent quotient ;) ) get to have their opinions respected and even blindly followed by other people with tons more talent?

I am not saying it is the way to be, but I am also not quick to say that it isn't the way to be. People's opinions and perceptions on art (as well as all other issues, like social or emotional or what have you) do not require the actually ability to produce something to that level.

In the same time, people with skill and experience may have the ability to be much more to the point on the suggestion they have to make instead of making a vague comment which leaves you with little to actually consider. However that one suggestion by that skilled artist also is not necessarily the one that works best for you (I am speaking mostly for art issues/suggestions/problems but I guess it applies to other discussion topics as well).

What I have seen through my experience in general is this:

An ability to represent or convey a message excellently (in the written word or with pictures or music) does not make that message valuable by default and vice versa ;)

I have a feeling some people read my comic just to hear what I've got to say. I don't know much, but I know video games, comic books, and movies. Often my authors comments talk about game demos or games I've rented and my thoughts on them. I read a lot of comic books, so I talk about that. On rare occasions I'll see a movie and give some thoughts on it.

This is a tough one, but I'd say the comics and its creators' posts effect one another. After all, a jerk is a jerk, and good artists may garner more respect for their opinions, but if they take it too far people will recognize it and turn it against them, and suddenly minor flaws of the works of the artist in question become huge negative aspects of his works.

Hapoppo
This is a tough one, but I'd say the comics and its creators' posts effect one another. After all, a jerk is a jerk

Maybe there's a bit of a connection. For me though, it's warped. There've been times where I've been a real jerk on the internet. Classic troll, if you will. But my comic is about being friendly. Very friendly. Like friendly on a "cosmic scale" as I put it.

So maybe I use the comic to channel all of my positive energy and am left with nothing but vitriol? Or maybe I use the internet to channel all of my negative energy and am left with nothing but chumliness?

Gah! The circle has no end! I'm in a moebius strip! And I didn't even like his SILVER SURFER!

I understand the reasoning behind those who said "yes" but I try to look at the people somewhat separately from their comics. Sure, it's easy to respect someone's art and/or writing and thus be more willing to consider their points but I also consider this: there are some really cool people who happen to do sprite comics or even comics I may not particularly care for or agree with (for whatever reason)...but they're cool to converse with on the forum!

While I would agree that having a well-drawn comic has its perks, I personally do not believe respect is earned upon it, especially in the forums.

Respect is quite possibly the most significant fixation anyone can produce in this world and there is absolutely nothing I gaze more than to discover the respect of others. So to maintain a long post, short... all you will ever require is to earn my respect in the forums and I will truly read, comprehend, examine, value, etc. what you have to say. I do not care if your drawings are measured of less importance. I've witness numerous comics in DD that are just breathtaking in sight in the art department but the stories are just completely worthless and hollow with no depth whatsoever; which is why I've always wondered whether my fellow peers would desire to be superior when it comes to drawing or writing. Of course the majority of you would prefer to be remarkable artists in drawing, but how far can it take you if the writing is not there to keep the reader fascinated?

I think the idea that here are lots of webcomics with great art and poor writing is untrue. Maybe generated by sour grapes ("I can't attack his art cuz it's right in front of me, but I can attack the story because it's not as obvious!" ). In my experience, I haven't seen any comics with good art here which has poor storytelling.

Please link me to some great-art-bad-scripting so I can be illuminated. PQ me on it if you don't want to offend ppl.

penis - a great comic.

No, wait?

I say no, persons with comics they spend more time on dont get more respect than those with quickly done comics. Infact, from what I've seen, the amount of respect someone gets on DD isnt dictated by how much effort they give nor how long they've been a part of the community.
I'm really not sure how one gains respect on DD, outside of enjoying their work and haveing steady updates. That wont even guarantee anything really.

I think ppl like it that way, Neilak. There's very little ego or clique-forming in here (at least currently), which makes it a very friendly environment.

dueeast
I understand the reasoning behind those who said "yes" but I try to look at the people somewhat separately from their comics. Sure, it's easy to respect someone's art and/or writing and thus be more willing to consider their points but I also consider this: there are some really cool people who happen to do sprite comics or even comics I may not particularly care for or agree with (for whatever reason)...but they're cool to converse with on the forum!

I agree with this, and I'd like to add that you'd be surprised; there are people that you may think don't draw as well as you but can point things out in your art/writing/whatever that needs improvement. I don't think you need to only take advice from somebody who's an expert. Any outside a opinion can only help you.