victor_von
As long as I don't get bumped from the current list, I guess I shouldn't care.

And yet, I do.

If you don't want the possibility mirror your comic on DD, unless you have some sort of exclusivity contract.

AQua_ng
Review my comic please!

(Link: Naive)


Here's what I've reviewed so far!

(Link: Review of The Graveyard Shift)

(Link: Review of Assassin Assassin!)

I hope that is enough! ^-^

I think this is a nice idea. :) Just adding my support for it.

Well I'll give my two sense on things, even though I've apparently been labeled a jackass for asking to have my comic, which is not currently hosted on DD, reviewed.

First, enforce the rules. There was no rule against asking for reviews (at the time) of non-DD hosted things. It actually just said "PS: NO DEVIANT ART ACCOUNTS. Reading comics on that site is a huge pain, and there are plenty of free hosting services like Smackjeeves. Sorry."
And yes I have been an active member. I did a whole lot of reviews before the school term started. I was involved, because that was a requirement. I gave reviews. I also like how when my comic, on smackjeeves, came up, it started a big stink, yet when you look at the old list there are a whole bunch of smackjeeves, toonspace, etc etc etc. non DD hosted comics listed. I got one actual review in the thread, which seems lame. You don't like the comic, fine, I didn't come on here wanting publicity or for people to like my comic. I wanted constructive criticism.

Now, setting that aside, with me being a publicity hounding jackass and all...

I think having a 3 review limit is good, though I kinda think it would be better to have a higher limit. I know it would slow down the process, but I think some comics may only get a fwe reviews when a new one is cycled in, including comics that may not be superb, but are still pretty good (and there have been several on here that were at that level). Really good comics that don't need much improvement would essentially get more reviews than a comic that is not at that level and could really benefit from some indepth review.

Also, would it be good to screen comics that are still actively updating? Someone might just put up 40 comics and then stop, so perhaps checking to make sure a comic has a steady update schedule and doesn't deviate from that much would be a good thing. A few missed updates out of 50, sure, fine, but if the person has no definitive update schedule, maybe ask the person to change that. Just my opinion *shrugs*

What about more specific guidelines for actual reviews? It's probably been mentioned already :S. But I don't know, perhaps putting up what is expected in a review. I've seen a lot of reviews through parusing in and out that looked full, but had comments that weren't really specific. They just said "they didn't like something", but didn't give a reason why, which in my opinion doesn't help someone. So, instead of saying "I don't like the art in this panel" you'd need to be more specific and say "The face on the main character needs blank".

Anyway, those are my ideas. *shrugs*

Some of us work our asses off in RL and don't have the time for an update schedule. I have yet to put one in place, because to be honest with you, I'd rather make my fans wait for gold rather than be fed constant shit. To require someone to have a definitive update schedule to be eligible for review would cause a good deal of quality comics to be thrown out.

That's true. I was thinking more towards comics that just get the minimum amount up and then just sort of fell off. You could look at a comic and see that the dates for the first 20 or so were all on a regular schedule, and then suddenly, no schedule, just randomness.
But I see what you're saying for comics that never had a schedule. Real life does get in the way.

Just amending my 2 cents, Arconna does bring up a valid point that maybe someone who does contribute to drunkduck in some way (like doing reviews themselves) but has decided for one reason or another to host their comic elsewhere (like Smackjeeves or a personal site) shouldn't be excluded. I mean, they are giving back to the community and all.

Exactly. Not to mention, I formerly had my comic on DD for a while before that last really huge crash where everything was lost. I have simply been waiting to bring it back to DD to see if there is going to be more of the same as before. Coming on to update a comic and finding out for a week that the server crashed, or that everything was lost and you had to re-upload everything is quite a drainer.

I can understand on a second round that you would want to exclude non-DD hosted site that are on smackjeeves and other such sites, but I think people that have personal sites shouldn't be excluded at all. They don't have the option for a review because they are not hosted on any other community, so if they are contributing by doing reviews and being involved in the forums, etc. they should be allowed in. That's just my opinion...a lot of people come here because DD has a great reputation for giving good feedback.

I agree with the above. Barring all non DD comics seems a little harsh. If they're willing to contribute to the community in some way (reviews!) I think they should be allowed on the list.

I'm also liking this idea of doing two reviews before you're able to sign up. Maybe just one really good review instead though.

The required reviews will probably weed out a lot of the comics that aren't really serious about improving, because it would require, you know, some effort.

I don't like the idea of having two many comics up for review at once. Two max. I feel that 3 or more comics up for review at once will make people pick and choose between comics they want to review, and comics that are difficult to review or simply bad or really long will get overlooked. I apologise if I stated that already. Haven't been able to check the forums for a while.

I think required reviews should be, at a minimum, two, if we do that before you can sign up. There's a website I go to for writing critiques called critiquecircle.com that uses a point system. You do two reveiws of some short works and you have 3 points, which allows you to post some of your own work. I'm not saying we do a point system, not at all, but I think that there should be a required effort on the part of someone who wants a review. Also, in regards to weeding out comics that aren't serious, perhaps bumping users up on the list who are very very active would be an incentive for people to give more reviews. But even that should have limitations. I mean, if someone gives no reviews whatsoever after getting on the list, well, tough crap, but people that might be active, but not doing 3 reviews a week shouldn't be penalized since they may be doing a review each every other week and are still active. That's sort of something that would be at the discretion of the mods and list runners I think.

My only problem with running two comics at once is just that I think the 'better' comic will get a lot more attention than the other, which defies the entire purpose of a review list I think...equal representation.

Um, a big no to all that sliding up and down the list you just suggested. It's too hard to keep track of and would have people stressing constantly about their place on the list, which really isn't fair, because some people will just naturally have the ability to write reviews faster than others.

Really, I think the two reviews minimum before you can even sign up will solve all the problems. Only people who actually put effort into it will get reviewed, and thus most the people who aren't serious about their webcomics (ie: 14 year old sprite comic authors) will get weeded out by their inability or unwillingness to take the time to read two comics and write two reviews.

Also, by having to have two reviews before you even sign up, this will make it inherently better than Buzzcomix's system, which keeps a running tally of all the reviews given by people on the list and still has their system abused by freeloaders (I should know, cuz I got a review and ran too :oops:)

So like someone mentioned earlier, posts in the signup thread would go like so:

My comic is at hxxp://www.drunkduck.com/comicname

I've reviewed these two comics.

Comic #1
Comic#2

The two comic names would be links to their review threads so the mods can verify their reviews.

This system seems a close to perfect as we can get, but I'm still open to ideas until the current review thread ends.

Also, the merit of having multiple comics up for review at once is increased review progress. I think we could manage to have two comics up at once and still get evenly distributed reviews. I can change something like that on the fly pretty easily if anything comes up.

Yep, I think the (Review) and (What I've Reviewed) sections will be good. Weed out people all that. Yadda yadda. Sounds good.

Uh, I have a suggestion.

Why not try to make a list for people that are trying to make a good review? Because everyone rates differently, and if everyone rated with the same idea, it would be easier to read... and stuff.

Like so:

Review for (blah)

This is a good comic, but there are some things that should be worked on... blah blah

Art:
-Good things about it
-Things that need some working on
Grade: (scale from 1-10)

Storyline:
-Good things about it
-Things that need some working on
Grade: (scale from 1-10)

Characters:
-Good things about it
-Things that need some working on
Grade: (scale from 1-10)

Entertainment value:
-Good things about it
-Things that need some working on
Grade: (scale from 1-10)

(optional)
Panel Organization:
-Good things about it
-Things that need some working on
Grade: (scale from 1-10)

(Add any more categories here...)

Conclusion:
Overall Grade: (averaged score, should be from 1-10)


And I think that about wraps up an extremely good review. I just hate it when people say 'omg dis comix TEH AWESOME' or 'dis comic sux'.

I kinda think the point of these review threads is that everyone rates differently, what with opinions being completely subjective and all. I'm never going to enforce some rubric that reviewers will have to fill out.

Also, catagories like that would never work, due to that fact that many comics will not have content that fits into those catagories. Many humor based comics don't have storylines, and sometimes not even characters. Entertainment value is completely subjective. Panel Organization is also impossible to judge, because every single comic does it differently, would you rate a newspaper comic strip lower because their panels are arranged in boring rows?

I also think that numbers are largely pointless and draw innacurate conclusions compared to someone simply writing out it words how they feel about any given work. An 8 out of 10 is no where near as informative as saying that the shading seems off your that the dialouge comes of as unatural when read. Since you usually have to write these things out before giving a numerical score anyways, why use the numbers at all?

So thank you for your input, but don't expect it to be enforced. Everyone is free to use whatever method they want when reviewing though, so do as you please.

Eggbert
I kinda think the point of these review threads is that everyone rates differently, what with opinions being completely subjective and all. I'm never going to enforce some rubric that reviewers will have to fill out.

Also, catagories like that would never work, due to that fact that many comics will not have content that fits into those catagories. Many humor based comics don't have storylines, and sometimes not even characters. Entertainment value is completely subjective. Panel Organization is also impossible to judge, because every single comic does it differently, would you rate a newspaper comic strip lower because their panels are arranged in boring rows?

I also think that numbers are largely pointless and draw innacurate conclusions compared to someone simply writing out it words how they feel about any given work. An 8 out of 10 is no where near as informative as saying that the shading seems off your that the dialouge comes of as unatural when read. Since you usually have to write these things out before giving a numerical score anyways, why use the numbers at all?

So thank you for your input, but don't expect it to be enforced. Everyone is free to use whatever method they want when reviewing though, so do as you please.

After reading what you said, I would say the same thing, too :)

I have a question about the review thread. What if a particular comic has more than one theme to it, like Sci fi mixed with fantasy, as well as an element of anthropromorphic, anime and american style art? Is it harder to review something that's this eclectic? I was wondering because yes, I am an artist who tends to mix up certain themes and styles, but I'm also asking because I'm not sure if there is a category for such a thing. Could we make up a category for eclectic comics to be reviewed? Just curious.

those who want to get reviewed should review at least 3 other comics.

sandy
I have a question about the review thread. What if a particular comic has more than one theme to it, like Sci fi mixed with fantasy, as well as an element of anthropromorphic, anime and american style art? Is it harder to review something that's this eclectic? I was wondering because yes, I am an artist who tends to mix up certain themes and styles, but I'm also asking because I'm not sure if there is a category for such a thing. Could we make up a category for eclectic comics to be reviewed? Just curious.

Most comics are a of mish mash of styles. Jut because a comic may have more artistic elements in it at once does not make it any more difficult to review than one that doesn't. That, and review catagories would be far too hard to organize.

Also, a lot of the things you mention about your comic (anthromorphism, anime art, american art) are not themes, but artisic elements/styles/influneces. And the others (sci-fi and fantasy) are genres (and sci-fi is really just fantasy in space anyways :) ). Themes are literary, such as a theme of good vs evil. Just pointing that out.

Okay, thanks. Gee I always get that mixed up Eggbert. Work too many hours don't I? Gotta love day jobs. Anyway, that does answer my question nicely, thank you.

It may be a good idea to bump the page limit up to 30 or even 40. Some comics have a tendency to move very slowly, so 20 pages may not get a whole lot of story done, or could end up being mainly action scenes.

As for sprite comics, I agree that you should have a couple people screen them to see if they are even worth anyone's time. It would be bad to exclude them all together because occasionally someone makes a good one.

Also you may want to lay down review categories the people will have to cover in a review, such as artwork, characters, plot, writing, and so on.

.: equinox :.

I agree With this. lessens the amount. i mean sure 20 pages is about a normal print comic. but I definately agree it should be at least 30. No fillers (unless the filler is associated witht he story somehow) and all comic owners should be allowed to ask for a reveiw in this forum once every two months or so...that should cut down the traffic to possibly acceptable levels...those are just my ideas though. I made it to to 20 on this day december 12th and i already know that im not going to be up for a reveiw for a very, very long time.

subcultured
those who want to get reviewed should review at least 3 other comics.

Sorta Like Pay it forward! good idea! but you probably couldnt trust that many people to fulfull that objective. I know i would if asked but Not everybody is that willing or able to do so.

Okay, so people don't resuggest thing's I've already decided on THIS is the current plan.

To sign up your comic for review you must have a minimum of 20 pages in your archive.

To sign up for review you must also have reviewed 2 comics. The way that people's reviews will be kept track of is that they will make a post like this in the review thread:

START POST-------------

My comic is at hxxp://www.drunkduck.com/comicname

The comic's I have reviewed are

Comic#1
Comic#2

END POST---------------

With the comic names being links to the review in this forum.

I plan on putting two comics up for review at a time. No more than that.

That is the current plan. I think it's pretty much perfect. Feel free to tell me differen though!

Works for me!

Sounds like a great plan to me. All the categorizing and such, would just slow things down.

Sounds great! I didn't want to ask for a review before because the request thread was so backed up with people asking that I just thought 'they'll never get round to it!' If to get a review, you have to have done two reviews yourself, it means you actually have to put something into the community to get something out. It also assures (hopefully) that since the reviewed will have been a reviewer themself, they won't be so prone to complaining about any criticism they recieve. Perfect plan.

Someone
To sign up for review you must also have reviewed 2 comics. The way that people's reviews will be kept track of is that they will make a post like this in the review thread:

This is the best part since that will guarantee that the review list won't get flooded.
It was way to easy just to sign up before. Now you actually have to contribute.

I just want to put in my approval for the 'Review a few before you can get your own comic reviewed' point, and the screening process for sprite comics. Although it would be wise to have at least one spriter on that screening board, to avoid some legitimately good work being passed over just because it doesn't look great.

And I'm behind the page limit being bumped up a little. In the previous review thread, people would just churn out 20 comics - half of them filler - just to get on the list.
So, discretion is the better part of valour and all that. Let's be careful.

so..umm..where would i place the comic i want to be reveiwed?

When theres a new sign up you'll know because it'll likely read something like "comics review sign up list 2.0" or something to that effect. For now hold your horses till the big kids can decide how it'll work out.

kk....and im not thaaat young....im 18.....(--);

Damn page minimum.

I've only got 16, hahah!
Oh well, I'll still review some, because that looks to be must interesting. :)

-Wing

Is the new sign up list gonna start soon? Your "current" reviewee hasn't updated since October, and the thread's been locked since July.