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Comic idea "Dragon Child"
magnus911 at 2:00PM, Jan. 26, 2007
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This is Ryon of Ruin, a character from a comic concept in my head called Dragon Child.

The image is kinda big, oh well.



Ryon is a dragon stuck in the form of a 15-year old human. On the run from the Wyverns, the dragon police force, he finds shelter in the home of a 17-year old girl. However, she's a dragon slayer in-training. The story I have in mind is dark. Darker than you would expect based on the premise. The girl(her name is Zeila) also is a rabid anime fan. The world this comic takes place in is a pseudo-modern world with slightly more advanced technology, and dragons.

Dragons in this world are subjected to prejudice, people are naturally afraid of them, and people hate them due to the many dragon-related crimes happening throughout the world. The dragons fear the humans too, hearing stories of dragon slayers who patrol the human cities that can fell dragons in less than five minutes.

Does the story sound interesting, or does it sound like something you've heard of before? Oh, and this drawing took me around four hours. How does it look?
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Peipei at 2:33PM, Jan. 26, 2007
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The story seems very interesting :3 The thing I like about this is how he escapes and finds shelter in the dragon slayer's home. That should be something to look forward to xD Instead of being a modern-day type of environment, if you're looking to make it a little more sinister, maybe less technology will do it :3 A post apocolyptic environment with not so much technology ^^; But that's just my opinion :3


I love the art :) The shading around his eyes is really well done ^^ I'll be looking out for this comic. It has alot of potential :3 Good job so far ^~^
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kitsunesan at 5:54AM, Jan. 27, 2007
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Uh, so far it looks interesting, except for the fact he is 15 or looks like 15 XD...I dont know, if its dark it should be at least dunno 17, or 18 ...to appeal more, but so far what Ihave read, is good ne....good luck with it
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mlai at 7:33AM, Jan. 29, 2007
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OK, my unbiased non-malicious opinions:

1. The age is fine. You can be age 15-17 and have lots of dark stuff happening. In fact, the naivete of youth makes the bad stuff have more impact, as long as you can write it.

2. The setting depends on what you're writing. If you're incorporating slife of life elements, modern alternate world is best (what you're planning). If there's gonna be city-flattening action, if you're looking for drama/emotion/atmosphere from the setting itself, post-apocalypse may be good.

3. The kid's design is ok, but pretty generic. Basically, another scruffy kid with big spikey dark hair and tanned skin. The "elf ears" don't add or detract any uniqueness. However, this doesn't matter. If you give him cool/unique/nice clothes, or if your art style is really refreshing, then his face doesn't matter. Clothes make the man.

4. Personally, I'd make the dragon the girl. Cuz I was watching the stupid previews of the stupid movie Eragon, and I was thinking "If the dragon is that girl, too... then I might go watch it." But which character being the dragon really depends on the plot and the character dynamic you have in mind. It's just that the monster being the boy reminds me too much of Inuyasha.

Generic character dynamics:

Boy dragon and girl dragonslayer = Think Inuyasha dynamics. Boy is prolly bratty, headstrong, and a cute jerk. Any girl DS who can accept a boy dragon is prolly kind-hearted underneath some tough exterior. This also sets up the old anime wish-fulfillment dynamic of normal-cute-girl-pursues-special-boy. Boys just wish that.

Girl dragon and boy dragonslayer = It's also been done before, but I personally like it better, from a male perspective. Girl is now a stray pet type character who needs boy's protection. Event though she's stronger, smarter, and older, there is that certain something in the boy which makes him someone she comes to depend on. If you can pull off that "certain something" in the boy in a good way, then it becomes good writing. Again, I may be biased in liking this dynamic better.

5. "Dragon suffers prejudice" is too generic. If anything reminds me of X-men, then it is bad. Likewise "Dragon on the run from gov't/scientists/evil organization" is still generic. It's actually kind of hard to come up with any unique "general idea." All general ideas are generic these days. It's the details which end up making a story unique.

For hints... I guess try the Princess Mononoke approach rather than the X-men approach. Dragons are nature spirits, bestial forms, non-humans. Don't think "prejudice" in the human sense, PLEASE. Think more the conflict between Man and Nature/Supernature. Don't let your dragons be just talking lizards. Make them as unearthly as possible, IMO. They're spirits, wise and fickle.

This of course applies better to a girl dragon, heh. And being with a human, humanizes her which may or may not be a good thing. This may not be the story direction you have in mind, though, so it depends on what kind of story you're telling.

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kyupol at 12:18PM, Feb. 3, 2007
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Ryon is a dragon stuck in the form of a 15-year old human. On the run from the Wyverns, the dragon police force, he finds shelter in the home of a 17-year old girl. However, she's a dragon slayer in-training. The story I have in mind is dark. Darker than you would expect based on the premise. The girl(her name is Zeila) also is a rabid anime fan. The world this comic takes place in is a pseudo-modern world with slightly more advanced technology, and dragons.

Dragons in this world are subjected to prejudice, people are naturally afraid of them, and people hate them due to the many dragon-related crimes happening throughout the world. The dragons fear the humans too, hearing stories of dragon slayers who patrol the human cities that can fell dragons in less than five minutes.

Does the story sound interesting, or does it sound like something you've heard of before? Oh, and this drawing took me around four hours. How does it look?


First of all, I'd like to apologize in advance if this post might sound like me being an asshole or something.


Anyway, everything else except the ones I bolded is nothing special. Fantasy. teenager hero. Its been done a million times. I'd say this comic is not gonna click unless of course... you have superb art skills or the ability to deliver the plot properly. Delivery meaning... if youre good in adding dialogue or drama or putting realism into your characters.

Referring to the bolded text... you can make it in such a way that its somewhat a mirror reflection of real world shit... like racism. Like put in a dragon character who is like... why everyone hates me. I'm not evil. Why are they afraid of me? You know... expound on that shit and maybe this comic might tick. Or make Zeila be found out somewhere and thrown in jail for doing something she shouldnt be doing. I also suggest to throw in other shit like a conspiracy within the dragon slayers.. just put politics in it... reading newspapers will help give you ideas. Or... make these dragon slayers justifiable in their actions. At least give them dialogue that makes em justify their hatred towards dragons. A good reference could be Klan websites or any form of hate group. Just replace the targeted hated group with the word "dragon" or something.


Well... good luck. :)
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subcultured at 1:32PM, Feb. 3, 2007
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remidns me of the movie "Black Like Me" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057889/
what you could do is have the main character who is hateful towards dragons.

kinda like the movie "american history X".
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/tY8s5sooMsI

he hangs out with a group of people (hunters) who hunt dragons. suddenly he starts to turn into a dragon by some curse that was put upon him by an elder dragon as it died. he runs away from the group as he rips through his clothes he flies away. the group sees the dragon(him) and his ripped clothes thinkning he was killed by the dragon. they begin to hunt him to get revenge.

while the main character learns what a dragon really is. a creature that helps to atain the balance of magic in the world. as every dragon is killed the dark magic becomes stronger. dark mages are able to have more power.

we learn that the dark mages are the ones that pushed the hunters to persue dragons. even faking buring villages down...to make dragons scape goats.
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magnus911 at 4:15PM, Feb. 3, 2007
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Here's what I've been thinking for this comic (now officially titled: Dragon of Ruin).

State of the "Dragon of Ruin" world:

In this world, a "Dragon" is a being who has two forms: human form, and another, nonworldly form, referred to as their dragon form. Dragons' dragon forms aren't limited to big lizards, as their dragon form can be smaller than their human forms themselves. However, they are generally reptilian. Dragons, millennia ago, were normal people, but they were cultists who worshipped the reptilian god "Drake". It is said that Drake blessed his followers with the ability to change their forms, thus the creation of the dragon race. Dragons can interbreed with humans, but only purebred dragons inherit the transformation ability. Dragons have extreme longevity, which was said to be another blessing of Drake. Dragons' life expectancies are 300-400 years. The world has slightly more advanced technology than ours, but otherwise it's basically our world with transforming people(dragons) in it.

Dragons are ultimatley invincible in their dragon forms, the only thing that can kill them in that form is the Dragon Fang, a sword carried only by the Grand Dragon, the leader of the dragon world. If enough damage is inflicted onto a dragon in its dragon form, it will revert to its humanoid form, able to be killed.

For an unknown purpose, the world was divided into two halves, one for the dragons and one for the humans. There has never been war between the two races, but both of the races' governments have collapsed suddenly, four years ago.

The human world has suffered violent revolutions in almost every country, and since the world was cleaved in two, there is almost nobody to keep the peace, as the countries that are part of the human world are all deep in the chaotic aftermath of revolution. The human world, however, is kept in a fragile order by a makeshift police force made by the dragon slayers. The police are needed desperately, since organized crime has overrun most of the large cities and is slowly spreading towards the rural areas.

The dragon world has been divided, with their police force, the Wyverns, divided within the factions that have formed with the collapse of the dragon government. The Grand Dragon, the head of state of the entire dragon world, was overthrown by revolutionaries, who are being hunted down by the Wyverns of each faction due to a colletive agreement between the factions, who still feel the need to protect the Grand Dragon. Crime is a huge problem here too, especially since the only thing that can kill a dragon has been stolen, the prisons are filling up, almost to the breaking point.

This world is filled with tension, distrust and most of all, fear. There are rumors that anti-dragon extremeists are planning to take advantage of the revolutions' wake to organize an army to eradicate the dragons. Similar rumors are spreading throughout the dragon world, except the rumors are that the Grand Dragon himself is organizing an army to drive the humans to extinction. Dragon criminals sometimes venture into the human world, and the Wyverns have given the human dragon slayers permission to kill them. There are more and more dragons going into the human world, so the need for more dragon slayers has arisen.

This time period has been nicknamed: The Age of Ruin.

Characters:

Ryon of Ruin: A 157-year old dragon (adolescent by dragon standards) who is stuck in his humanoid form, by a strange emblem that is grafted into his skin, on his right wrist. He is from Hong Kong, which is part of the dragon world. He stole an ancient dragon artifact, and has sought refuge in the human world. He is also a suspected revolutionary of the Grand Dragon's overthrow, and has killed 9 dragons on his escape to the human world, two border guards and seven innocents in the crossfire. Ironically, his father was the chosen successor to the Grand Dragon's throne. Ryon is competent in battle, but he prefers to try and talk things out. He is generally outgoing, but he's nervous almost all the time due to his present situation. He hides it well though, trying to sound tough.

Zeila: A 17-year old girl who wants to be a dragon slayer, like her father. She's indifferent on the issue of the killing of dragons, which makes her a great candidate for to be a dragon slayer. She grew up watching anime cartoons and reading manga, which, since Japan is part of the dragon world, is made by dragons. She dreams of having an adventure like the anime characters, always hoping for somebody to stumble upon her and drag her into a quest to save the world, or her hometown. She is very outgoing, and she likes to shop and do things that other girls like doing, but strangely, she doesn't like to hang out with her friends a lot. She'd rather stay at home, training to be a dragon slayer or watching (old)anime. Her father doesn't care what she does, since she's training to be a dragon slayer, while her mother is concerned about her anti-socialism. Zeila considers herself an otaku, but since the Age of Ruin began, anime hasn't been able to cross the border between the human and dragon worlds, so her anime knowledge is a bit outdated.

Shadow Dragons: Dragons that bear the names of legendary dragons, they are all elite assassins. Sent into the human world by the Grand Dragon to kill Ryon and retrieve the stolen dragon relic, they are known around the dragon world for their mercilless killing of dragons slayers. They are all high-ranking, and only answer to the Grand Dragon. They never make any public appearances, and due to their extreme proficiency in combat, rarely leave any signs of their presence in their assassinations. They are already deadly in their human forms, but they are engines of destruction in their dragon forms.

Dragon Hunters: Dragon slayers that discharged themselves from the dragon slayer ranks to actively hunt dragons. They cross the border between the dragon world and human world quite regularly, and are rarely noticed. They are all extremely skilled in combat, and they like to carry anti-tank weaponry. They would hunt dragons in the dragon world for days on end, and would only return to the human world to resupply themselves and possibly increase their ranks. The Wyverns of all of the dragon factions are charged with hunting these vigilantes, but alas, even the highest-ranking Wyverns are afraid of them.

Plot:

Ryon of Ruin (Real name: Ryon Long), the son of Shen Long, the next dragon in line for becoming the Grand Dragon (Current Grand Dragon: Don Hai-Wong), stole an ancient dragon relic from the Grand Dragon's castle; China's Forbidden City. He stole the Dragon Fang, the sword that is the symbol of the Grand Dragon's authority, as well as the only thing that can kill a dragon in dragon form. Fleeing to the human world, and killing nine dragons on his way there, he breathes a sigh of relief. But, he's not totally safe. He is hungry, tired, and the injuries he took while fighting of the Wyverns are quite serious. He has no choice: he must seek human assistance.

The problem is that the nearest town is filled with dragon slayers, ones notorious for their intolerance when it comes to dragons that venture into the human world. If the dragon is a refugee, a criminal, or just a young dragon who went too far away from home, the dragon slayers in this town kill it, no questions asked. It's risky, but it's the only way for him to survive. Painfully, Ryon shaves off the points on his ears, to look more human. He ventures into the town, and claims to been have attacked by dragons. He is taken to a hospital, by a girl named Zeila. However, Ryon cannot stay at the hospital. A large group of dragon slayers have been brought to the town, all of them critically injured. The hospital needs all the beds it can get, so Ryon needs to find a place to stay. All of the townspeople are hesitant, as Ryon is a stranger, but Zeila innocently mentions that she has two beds in her bedroom for guests to another townsperson, who then tells the hospital that Ryon can stay at Zeila's house. The entire town agrees, with the exception of Zeila and her family.

Zeila's father demonstrates to Ryon what he'll do to Ryon if Ryon does any "funny business" to Zeila while she is sleeping, by cleaving a large cement block in two using his blade. A mortified Ryon agrees to Zeila's father's decree. Days go by relatively peacefully, and Ryon gets used to Zeila's family and being around dragon slayers. However, two months after crossing the border, a Shadow Dragon, sent by the Grand Dragon himself, appears in Zeila's town, looking for Ryon.

The story doesn't get dark YET, but it does fairly quickly. My comic is divided into two parts, the first part takes place in the human world, mainly it's Ryon and Zeila fighting off the Shadow Dragons from their town, and figuring out the mystery of the revolutions in both worlds. The second part is Ryon and Zeila's journey into the dragon world, to try and... well, that's a spoiler. Each chapter is named after the enemy/enemies that Ryon and Zeila fight in it. Kinda like a "chapter boss" sort of thing.

As the description of the world's state of being should tell you, there's LOTS of political stuff in the story. Not as much as Metal Gear Solid, but there's enough. As well as political stuff, there's the obligatory romance between Ryon and Zeila (since this story is dark, I guess it's a dark romance). That doesn't mean this comic is without lighthearted moments though. :P

What do you think of this? And, I redesigned Ryon. The drawing will be up sometime this week, the only similarities between the redesigned Ryon and the one currently up there are the red eyes and black hair.
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Ian Jay at 6:13PM, Feb. 3, 2007
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Okay. First off, I definitely think you should try substituting the word "dragon" with "pickle". And "Wyverns" with "Vlasics". And "Drake" with "Killa' Cuke".

No, but seriously, you seem to already have a solid backstory to this thing. (I'm especially intrigued by the whole political thing. I think it's gonna be cool that your story's gonna run on both a larger, warring-nations-focused scale, and a smaller, main-character-focused scale.) I only have two concessions: One, that you give Ryon and Zeila something to do besides engaging in innumerable fights with various Shadow Dragon assassins, because, well, that's not a whole lot to build a story on. (Maybe you could somehow get them involved in that revoluionary army that will overthrow the dragons? And then Ryon would have to choose between his heritage and his new life, but he can't tell his girlfriend, because then she'll totally kill him. Something that would create more tension than "Whillickers! That guy wants to kill us!"] And two, that you drop the whole anime tie-in. I mean, maybe you can mention it peripherally or something, but it is kind of hard to believe that Zeila would invite a perfect stranger to sleep at her house just because, surprise, they both like anime. That's like inviting somebody over to your house because you both eat cereal. (Even though Ryon "isn't obsessed like an otaku or something." I find it odd that you have to specify that in your pitch. Then again, even if Ryon isn't an otaku, maybe Zeila is, and that's why she invited him over-- Ryon just went with it because it would provide easy cover, freaky though Zeila may be. Then you could tie in the anime thing real easy.)

Other than that, though, it looks like you're pretty fit to roll.
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skoolmunkee at 2:48AM, Feb. 4, 2007
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I'm not sure I'm quite grasping how dragons and humans relate. I'm just not buying the idea that the world is pretty much the same, only humans do the Western half and dragons do the Eastern half. I suppose I don't really understand, thematically, the ways in which dragons and humans are so different or where all the hatred comes from. If dragons are living in Hong Kong and publishing manga and basically being normal humans (as they'd have to, if the world isn't significantly different to ours), they seem to be pretty integrated into the human world and accepted. I don't see where the conflict comes from. Sociologically speaking, when people get along culturally, the hate and fear go away.

In that respect, if the worlds get along commercially, it seems strange that they're segregated geographically. It might be a better idea to make the 2 worlds more isolated from each other. Each world operates normally within its own boundaries and there is no real global relationship or communication. Each half of the world developed similarly to each other, but differently enough to create some larger social differences, maybe relating to the fact that people can transform or because they came from a different background, or maybe just because one has Africa and the other has Canada.

Maybe each world was content to keep to itself, having everything it needed, until the governments broke down and people had the opportunity to go poking around. That will heighten the conflict and also increase the drama and danger when the characters go around crossing borders - now it's more difficult to fit in, although they look right, they don't fit in culturally. Like an American trying to be inconspicuous in Holland. Consider it in the sense of if there was a second earth that pretty much was just like ours - we wouldn't need anything from it really, and no reason to go to that one when we have what we want in ours, and the only reason to have much to do with it would be out of curiosity, or if they were different enough that we had reason to fear them a bit.

I agree with dropping the anime aside. It kind of complicates things (like how the 2 worlds relate) and doesn't really add anything to the story. It also seems strange from a 4-th wall kind of thing... your story is strongly anime influenced and the characters like anime, it's kind of too self-referential... or something :) Doesn't sit right anyway.

If it's an important part of your story that the governments have collapsed etc. people are going to want to know why, just warning you. :) It might be a good idea, if you haven't thought it all out why, to relate the breakdown to the problems that the 2 worlds have with each other. Perhaps each side blames the other, rightfully or not. I do agree that it's natural for governmentless countries to get in fights with each other etc, that part I'm all ok with. :)

It seems to hint that magic is present in your story somewhere, so be careful with that- if there's too much magic etc that would have to change the dynamics of how the 2 worlds get along and such.

You might want to rethink the title of Grand Dragon, because that's going to make them look like the KKK, unless the point is to make the general dragon leader an unreasonable violent bigot. :) That might be a comparison they don't need though.
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magnus911 at 9:55PM, Feb. 4, 2007
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ISSUES ADDRESSING TIME! HUZZAH!

Dragon/Human relations: Normally, dragons and humans can coexist, since the former can take the shape of the latter, and that mentally they aren't that different. However, with the division of the planet, there was one rule about it that could not be broken: each race must only have homes in their own worlds. Dragons could visit places where humans lived and vice versa, and humans could import dragon-made products and dragons could import human-made products. So the humans who live in America could view martial arts films made by dragons in Japan, and dragons who live in Japan could watch Disney movies made by humans in America.

The only reason that the feelings of hate and fear have emerged in this time, is that the chaos and unrest caused by the worldwide revolutions have given dragon criminals and anti-dragon extremists an opportunity to sneak into each other's worlds. Neither world would tolerate this, so both worlds agreed to practice isolationism, to single out the criminals and such. I've changed parts of my previous post to accomodate this.

Anime issue: I dropped the anime from Zeila and Ryon's relationship. Now, it's only Zeila's thing, and I've made it clear that she's an otaku, but since anime has been absent from the human world for four years, her knowledge is not as up to date. I don't think I'll be breaking the fourth wall with my anime references, since this world developed the same way as ours (except dragons and such).

Governments' collapse: There IS a reason. I've thought it out, and it's like, awesome you know?

Magic: The only magic present are the "blessings" given to the dragons by Drake. The Shadow Dragons have additional magic powers, but they're mainly just the creations of forcefields (only in human form).

Grand Dragon: I chose this title because:

1. "Grand Dragon" was a strong monster in FF9. I wanted to reference as many dragon-related things as possible in this comic.

2. The "Grand Marshall" from The Chronicles of Riddick(Vin Diesel movie) stuck in my mind for some reason. So I drew the Grand Dragon's title from that.

Rawr.
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Black_Kitty at 11:34PM, Feb. 4, 2007
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Not sure if I missed it somewhere but I'm curious as to why you picked the Asian countries as the dragon areas. Eastern views of dragons tend to be more positive then Western views (generally speaking) and I'm just curious if any of that had a role.

As a side note, when I first read that Ryon is from Hong Kong I automatically thought of Kowloon [en.wikipedia.org].
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Ian Jay at 7:19AM, Feb. 5, 2007
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It's good that you're actually addressing the issues. Most authors wouldn't take the time to do this-- you are doing it, and I think you're really strengthening your story. However, I still have one last issue:

magnus911
ISSUES ADDRESSING TIME! HUZZAH!

Dragon/Human relations: Normally, dragons and humans can coexist, since the former can take the shape of the latter, and that mentally they aren't that different. However, with the division of the planet, there was one rule about it that could not be broken: each race must only have homes in their own worlds. Dragons could visit places where humans lived and vice versa, and humans could import dragon-made products and dragons could import human-made products. So the humans who live in America could view martial arts films made by dragons in Japan, and dragons who live in Japan could watch Disney movies made by humans in America.


Why can't they live together? Are humans and dragons physically unable to live in the same conditions, or was it a religious mandate, or is it just some sort of unspoken cultural taboo?
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magnus911 at 9:26AM, Feb. 5, 2007
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Why can't they live together? Are humans and dragons physically unable to live in the same conditions, or was it a religious mandate, or is it just some sort of unspoken cultural taboo?


Yes. Moreso on the dragon's part, they want to increase the dragon population, as a child of a dragon and a human doesn't inherit the transformation ability.

I divided the world this way (Dragon World=Asia/Tiny bit of Europe & Oceana) because dragons in this area generally aren't seen as monsters, more positive as Black_Kitty said. Kowloon is awesome, gave me more stuff to work with. The Nine Dragons thing is cool, which is a freaky coincidence as the Grand Dragon's palace is the Forbidden City in China(So he's like the emperor, which is the ninth dragon of Kowloon as well), and there are eight Shadow Dragons.

Whee. I also updated the picture of Ryon up there, if you hadn't noticed yet.
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mlai at 4:53PM, Feb. 6, 2007
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1. Do not copy names from LOTR or any other copyrighted or famous source. Makes you and your story look really bad. It's as if I'm drawing an elf character and I name her Arwen cuz I think that makes me look smart. It doesn't.

2. Wyverns are 2-legged dragonlings. If a Dragon is a man, a wyvern is a lemur. Not a good name for your dragon-ppl.

3. Similarly, a drake is a small/lesser dragon. Not a good name for your Dragon God. If you want an actual name, use Tiamat. It may be overused by AD&D, but its true origin is a dragon mother goddess from Sumerian/Babylonian myth, so it has literary weight.

4. I'm not too thrilled on the East-West idea. So what happened to all the Asians? Or are we saying that the Asians are the dragon-ppl? Yippee, we're so special. It smacks of the self-propaganda China has about being the Middle Kingdom and Chinese ppl being Descendants of the Dragon. It just puts too many preconceptions into your story.

Now... if you had good Eastern Dragons fight with evil Western Dragons... that might be fun.

Of course, that means Dragons and humans co-exist all over the Earth, but the East and West do it differently. The eastern serpentine magical dragons coexist with the Asian ppl, and are seen as benevolent deity-beings. The western malevolent destructive dragons ravage Europe, and are constantly at war with western ppl.

Because of that situation, eastern Asia has a viable civilization and culture, because the ppl there live in peace protected by eastern dragons. But much of the Western world are almost post-apocalyptic, with most of the ppl living in fortified hive cities to protect themselves from dragons. The dragons of Africa are neutral towards humans, but don't tolerate European dragons encroaching on their territory... so Africans are relatively well off.

America has its own version of Mayan/Aztec dragon deities. The native Americans there have their own culture. The European conquests never happened because the American dragon gods repulsed the white invaders. Native Americans keep to themselves on their rich green continent.

Now, because Asia is the hub of the Old World's culture (America keeps to itself), that would explain why your girl character is into the exports of Asian popular culture, without self-referential cheesiness, cuz Europe basically has no real culture at that point. But maybe the stuff is all underground/black-market, because the European city warlord-rulers don't like any literature which glorifies dragonkind, as Asian literature are apt to do.

The girl's understanding of how Asian see their dragons would also explain why she is a dragonslayer and yet accepts Ryon (an eastern dragon) without killing him. Maybe she has an idealized vision of the East and their Good Dragons. Comedic moments could mirror RL, as she puts her popular-media knowledge of eastern dragons to the test, and enthusiastically stereotypes Ryon like nobody's business. I don't know, maybe she tries her broken Dragonese on him as if he doesn't speak English, or tries to make wontons for him or something.

Now, such a world would be more complex than yours, I think. With many wildly different types and factions for both dragons and humans, and a good opportunity for you to do dragon research. For example, have fun drawing Mayan dragons and incorporating their art style. I tried once and it wasn't easy!

IMO, anything which says "all humans on 1 side, all dragons on other side" is just too simple.

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magnus911 at 9:04PM, Feb. 6, 2007
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So I guess you don't want a cookie, mlai?

Well, I used Ancagalon for the name of Ryon's father because I want to reference dragon-related stuff for my comic. However, yes it does look kinda stupid now that I think about it. I'll change it.

"Wyvern" is the codename for the dragon police force. They're not actually dragonlings, since it's a police force of many dragons, a giant Dragon Ball-type dragon could be part of the Wyverns. I don't want them to sound mighty, like say the Shadow Dragons, but I don't want them to be referred to as "dragon police" either.

Drake might not be the best name for a dragon-god, but I like it. Tiamat has been overused, which is why I don't want to use it. And the name Drake relates to dragon, IIRC. I wanted the name of the dragon-god to be the inspiration of the race's name, as they aren't actually dragons, but just transforming people that turn into generally reptilian forms, that happen to resemble mythological creatures.

Yes, all of Asia has become dragon-ish. ALL of the dragons around the world moved to the Old World to accomodate the world's division. I also said that it was the Old World and Oceana. There are white people in Australia and New Zealand, so it's not like Mighty Dragon-Asians vs Everybody else.

Zeila likes anime/manga because... well, that's a spoiler.

Dragons on one side and humans on the other side is simple, but I'm staying with it. Besides, I wanted to explore the possibilities of the reason that the world could become this way. It's something I always thought to be absurd (total planetary segregation) but always imagined what the world would be like if it did happen. That's what I'm experimenting with in this comic.

Wow, I'm defending my ideas for a comic concept, never thought that would happen XD
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acadia at 6:23AM, Feb. 7, 2007
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There are white people in Australia and New Zealand because the Europeans put them there. As a prison sentence. I doubt that your 'West' side of the earth would use the 'East' side of the earth as a prison. I don't think the dragons of the 'East' would allow that. If this is an alternate earth, you cant take what has happened in our history for granted and include it in your story. It takes away from the immersion and people go "Wait a minute..." when they see a reference from that world to our world.

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mlai at 6:56AM, Feb. 7, 2007
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Similarly, anime/manga developed in Jpn as a consequence of WW2, which would not have occured in your alternate Earth.

You can use Wyvern and Drake if you want. I'm just telling you what the commonly accepted definitions of those words are. It could be my choice to name my serious Sephiroth-like villain "Fwuffy," cuz I like it.

Edit: Not that I have a Seph-like villain.

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magnus911 at 9:23AM, Feb. 7, 2007
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However, WW2 did occur in my world. Just because dragons and humans tend to not get involved in each other's affairs now doesn't mean that they didn't before. Japan's airplane attack on Pearl Harbor could've been a giant invasion of flying dragons of destruction, and A-Bombs have the power to kill even the mightiest of dragons, so the US still could've bombed Hiroshima and stuff. Since most of Europe is the human world, Hitler still could've turned Germany into a facist state and all the other factors that instigated WW2 could've still happened.

acadia, that's a good point. However, the comic's events take place on the west coast of the US and a bit of the orient. If I make another comic that takes place in this alternate reality, then I'll start the world-building.

Currently, I'm not, however.
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acadia at 8:34PM, Feb. 7, 2007
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If anything, I'd just suggest creating a completely unique world. Don't define areas like "California" or "Asia" cause that would cause confusion. Seriously.

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magnus911 at 4:13PM, Feb. 8, 2007
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Okay, here's what I've come up with:

Countries have different names than ours, while cities/provinces keep their names. ex. China=Longguo, Beijing stays Beijing. The only exception being Severia, Yaraland and Barika (the US, Canada and Mexico respectivley), having each of its states each having a different name than ours.

The continents have been just called either part of the dragon world, or part of the human world.

Yep.
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acadia at 4:31PM, Feb. 8, 2007
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Why do you have to keep Beijing as Beijing? If everything else is changing then it will be CONFUSING.

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mlai at 3:59PM, Feb. 9, 2007
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OK, look. Your story assumes an alternate Earth, where Dragon-ppl live in 1 hemisphere and ppl live in another. This has been going on for many many years.

In this world, the current geopolitical situation is NOT going to be the same as ours. You're not going to have the same countries, you're not going to have the same ethnic distribution of humans and their cultures, you're not going to have the same history, you're not going to have Japan exporting manga/anime!

I know you're prolly a younger artist, which is fine. Your story's background is not going to have as many layers as those of us who are older and more fanatic about background research. That's fine too.

But, you came here to ask for opinions. So I'm giving you my opinion: I don't know about the details of your story, but your world's premise is flawed. This premise is not up to my standards. Meaning, if I'm currently planning a comic about humans and dragons, I wouldn't use a premise like yours, because I know it has holes.

And since it's not good enough for me, my assumption is it shouldn't be good enough for you.

However, that shouldn't be taken as disparagement. I said approx the same thing to the author of Vampire Phantasm (currently a long-running DD comic), back when it first started. But her comic is popular despite some big flaws in her world's premise, mainly because her target audience don't care about those things, and because her storytelling isn't dependent on those things. Maybe she fixed the flaws by now.

However, AFAIC, having a good background is better than having a flawed one, any way you look at it.

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