You seem to be getting into the spirit of things, so I'll drop the big argument. Two things though:

TheMidge28
(I snipped ellipsis and their/there/they're discussion
to this I had already commented...

TheMidge28
There are people already on here that make fun if you misspell or act like a retard.

Admitting that people make fun of you doesn't change the fact that you should learn basic grammar. Just because the majority of the internet is AOL/text speak pre-pubescent 13 year olds doesn't mean you have to talk like them. LOL AM I RITE?

You say:

TheMidge28
Its like making fun of my daughter...dude...don't even go there.

And yet, you go on to say:

TheMidge28
I guess dad didn't give you enough hugs. :)

So it's okay for you to talk about my family? Fuck along now.

Let's talk about Penis (there's something I didn't think I'd say.) All quotes from Marine.

I already used eye rape in penis, which is called "pink-eye fetish" by the way, a long time ago in penis. At least a year or two ago. Basicly guys hold open an eye while they shoot their load into it.

Well, shit! That's real edgy of you. I'll bet there was even a punchline. What's that? The punchline was just the jizzing into the eye? Oh, that's not a joke, that's just Rule 34.

In penis, you won't have to worry about character development, missing out on important story elements and being completely lost,

I think you mean this to be a good thing. Are you an idiot? Look at the best drama/comedies in history...I'm not even going to bother naming a few, because if you can't think of some that are objectively classics, there's no hope there. You would be COMPLETELY lost if you came in the middle of it. At best, you're going to be a sitcom, but since you don't have characters that have even the slightest modicum of depth, it's impossible for them to illicit laughter.

I'm an active community member (some argue the most popular/hated) and if nothing else I spark conversations.

Lots of people spark conversation, it's what sort of conversation that gets sparked that matters. Paris Hilton sparks a lot of conversations, but no one (intelligent) cares. You're like that, only without a cute puppy.

"Say you know marine right?" *rolls eyes* "Yeah, I know him. He's not very funny at all." *laughs* Thats the joke right there, isn't it?

The problem comes into focus. I'm starting to think you literally don't know what a "joke" is. You also are mishearing that conversation. "He's not very funny at all" is followed by "agreed" followed by you being an idiot. While you may not be involved in the conversation, I'm just assuming you're always an idiot.

You can ignore me if you wanted to.

The last refuge of the "unappreciated artist." You posted in here, and I could ignore you, but your blight on the internet should not be allowed to continue.

I'd rip on you guys, but I already do penis. Thats more than enough.

You contribute nothing to webcomics, and nothing to substantial dialog in here. Delete your comic, self-ban your account, and probably burn your computer. I'm not convinced that your continued existence on the internet is worth it.

I dunno, maybe he is just a giant troll. But if he is, he sucks at it. Meta-funny comics have been done before, and this isn't one of them. It's just a festering pile of garbage that, at best, thinks that it's being meta-contextual and failing miserably. At worst, Marine actually thinks the tripe he's pushing has some value, in which case...I dunno, we should figure out how to make sure he can't infect the gene pool with his unfunny gene. (Note the proper use of ellipsis!)

Everything that guy just said is bullshit.

If I'm so awful and shitty, why am I nominated for TWO drunk duck awards? Why do I have screenshots of myself as the #1 comic on Drunk Duck. The #1 Horror comic and the #1 Manga comic? The greatest joke of my comic is this thread. Its not that the comics themselves are good or bad, some material is a lot stronger than others, its the responses they get from people that makes them great.

I'm not going away . In fact, I'm just getting warmed up! I do the professionally recognized web comic penis on the internet. It makes me laugh to do it and people like it for many reasons. You really seem to know a lot about the current industry of web comics, Baeleal, because you've sure been around Drunk Duck (THE web comics community) long enough to understand how this place works. I've seen through your little ruse sir, and I must admit I'm still amused. Its quite funny, do continue on. Just don't break character. Back in my day, I would sometimes have an upwards of ten guys playing "marine" which would lead to a lot of inconsistency. I hope this makes the weekend web, I'd love the publicity since I'm Paris Hilton after all.

Everyone take a look at todays comic and rip it apart. Artistically, aesthetically, satirical value, the extra content posted today, all my forum posts today, and all the other work I do on this site involving penis today. Say your worst, I can take it. take a look:



Personally, I think this is an amusing page. Its got some good lines in it, and the drawing of the fat girl lifting up her shirt made me laugh when I did it. Its an awful picture sure, but it works perfectly for that scene. And then to copy paste a bigger view of a section of a one off picture in the very next panel (to show off the nasty stretch marks) was complete overkill. Its great. I don't know how it isn't great, if you don't think it is do tell. Just keep in mind that opinion is personal and relative to the context in which things are viewed.

I'll be posting every page of penis in this thread and expecting the same brutal honesty about it. So ask yourself, Did you think it was funny? Interesting? Lame? Did you think it was dramatic? melodramatic? campy? Kitshy? Was todays page especially grotseqe? Did it "gross you out"? Was it just out and out disgusting Have I ever said penis was meant to be a humor comic filled with jokes, anyway? I don't recall doing that. If I did, it was bullshit. I know it has some comedic elements sure, but where is it listed as being a "joke" web comic?

And as to the claims of me being an idiot, I'm an autodidact. Basically what "Baelfael" was insulting another Drunk Duck user, and qualifies them for a warning about being banned from this internet site. Which will really shake their very foundations I'm sure.

Also I think they're just trying to cause internet drama, and it needs more cowbell.

i think 'penis' is funny.

mlai
@ Dishsoap:

What I said about a web-artist community site dying because of the poisonous forum was the truth. I believe that's how Impromanga died. Of course the founders graduating also had a lot to do with it.

The first two sentences seem to be in conflict with one another. Now if you replaced "was the truth" with "is what I perceive to be the truth," we'd be golden.

mlai
But... Imagine ppl with talent and popularity like DD's Top 10's wielding their little clan powers like HS cheerleaders gone bad.

Inversely, imagine if people were so terrified of retrebution that they didn't post genuinely requested critiques and instead just posted variations of "No, you're so goooood! :):):)" for three pages?

mlai
HOWEVER, I'll say this. I wouldn't bat an eyelid if every last sprite comic featuring Sonic and/or Megaman is summarily deleted from DD. That can only be good for DD.

SmackJeeves, DD's friendly rival, is IMO sliding towards a slow stagnating death because it allows legions of horrible pubescent sprite comics and boys'-love hack-manga to take it over. I mirror my comics there but I don't really care for it anymore now that I see that trend. I will fight tooth and nail if I ever see that try to take root at DD.

"Webcomics need a civil and nurturing environment... except for copy/paste sprite comics and transparently veiled porn, 'cause MAN, f*** those guys! 8D "

If that's what you're worried about, it's already taken root. Heck, looking at the front page, I can see that one of the top read strips is a very, VERY blatant fetish comic.

marine
And as to the claims of me being an idiot, I'm an autodidact.

I'd ask your teacher for a refund if I were you.

Looks like this thread has been derailed already.

Baelfael, people very much appreciate your comments about people's comics, but please keep your personal stuff with Midge to PQ it's just messing up this thread.

The same goes for dishsoap with his stuff about Mlai, please talk about comics, not people.

watermelon man. Go away. For one thing this is about insults or critical comments on work, not cheerleading. For another, using an alt account to lend support here is pretty lame- if you really like Penis, have the courage to support it openly. Hell, I think it's funny myself! But again, this thread isn't for that.

Lastly, Marine. If you don't want people saying mean things about your work here, just say so and we'll remove the posts and tell people not to make any more. This thread is only for people that don't mind their work being picked on and won't defend it. We don't want this thread filled with people saying "No, my work isn't crap, you're wrong!" which is one of the reasons why I've said that the only stuff people can pick on is work people have given permission for.

I started out looking at this thread and thinking it was going to be a flame war, but it turned into something so much more interesting... Good job, Ozone. Baelfael seems like Warren Ellis created an account here (compliment). Anyway, I'm not here to pat backs.

Do you think there's some sort of need for bad webcomics to pad good webcomics on a site with so many? To some degree, do we need shit to appreciate what's not shit?

@ Dishsoap:
I agree my post would be picked apart as part of a formal debate. Thank god it isn't, right? No arguments here.

@ Dom:
As long as Ozone keeps tabs on the thread it should be ok. As for your question, I would say no, because the shit buries what is not shit and makes it hard to find.

I disagree with what Dishsoap says pertaining to Craving Control, and it ties in with my double standard when it comes to sprite comics. CC is obviously a comic by someone who knows and likes what he's doing, even if the subject matter seems trite to some. It deserves its popularity as much as a "serious" comic.

Sprite comics featuring Megaman, Sonic, and all other web-distributed sprites, however, cross a line of no return where there is no redeeming value. The "best" Megaman/Sonic comic has less value than Marine's worst comic.

I don't have the heart to attack another artist's work. But my own, that is easy cause I give myself and other SO MUCH amo!

I'm going to speak as if talking to another person about their work to be less confusing.

Oh where to begin? Let's start with the excuse that you like to use about wanting to progress the story quicker.

So what, ever thought maybe the story might be better with some art that was, I don't know, half tolerable? Oh GOD, another epic story teller that has as much talent as a gerbil.

Okay, well, let's hold off the art for one second and look at this AWESOME story you say you are writing... Ooooh, I see lots of explosions riddled with small fragments of what I am assuming is some sort of plot in the 1st issue. Maybe I'm wrong but is any common sense put into this? For such an epic story teller you might think things through a bit more eh? Forget the silliness of the idea of the "super weapon" on earth. I could go on for hours about that. But 3 of these aliens with limited speech patterns and vocabulary are sent to stop the bad aliens?

The second issue 1 "Oh boy you were creative there" is one of the most cliche things ever put on the net and added absolutely nothing to what had already occurred. And the art, am I still looking at the alien issue? Can these people shapeshift or something?

Let's look at your art for a moment. The only thing that may make it partially tolerable is your oooh and ahhh bright colors you stole from whatever anime you ripped everything off of. But even then the shading is ridiculous. Sometimes it looks like you almost knew where the light source was coming from.
You were so close then BAM! What the hell shadow is this? And then you slap some white airbrush in random spots and "Hey look! I made highlights! Love me!"

The actual colors you use clash and make everything look like it should be in another world individually. Did you make all this stuff up at once? Or is this like some kind of collage of ideas you wrapped up and present in this 1 mesh of vomit? The designs may be all right if everything didn't get reshaped and dis formed every new time we see a character. Usually artists tend to have trouble on anatomy and in keeping the proper proportions on limbs and such.

Well, JNP, you are a winner cause you managed to screw up even the head like EVERY time! Pat yourself on the back cause you allow something that most 9 year olds can get the hang of to slip through in each of your daily updates. Daily updates? Please, if you can't try harder maybe go out and get a life instead? Trust me, if you stopped updating daily nobody would be left on the edge of their seat wanting to see your STORY OF THE CENTURY! You may get more than a handful to care if your book at the least had some artistic substance.

Woooh, you put in awesome angles and poses. Yeah those are done badly too. That would be neat if characters had proper anatomy, and/or structure. The only believable thing is seeing them jump around cause they look just like rubber so they should have an easy time doing at least that. Not that I know really when they are jumping due to the lack of backgrounds. And the ones you do put in are either not drawn by you or are a horizon line with random shapes. Maybe a gradient if you are feeling generous.

In conclusion, those 5-6 years of not drawing you sometimes mention... yeah, it would be for the net's better interest for you to go back to that. The only Legacy the Devon Legacy is leaving is wasted bandwidth.

There are many many other things I can say wrong with my book. Feel free to add to this list if you like. The good news is I know about these problems, I should actually sit down and practice fixing these instead of hoping I can improve on each update.

I really should around to reeding pinki , she has nice bum ^^ neaver really colud get into the plot. I idolize people and there talent case I just fake it and when it comes to sprite comics i think that there out dated i think allso Psy was the only one that did it right

http://www.fireball20xl.com/tms/

marine

that just grouse his is funny

Baelfael
Some people have problems being told they suck, and need to hear it over and over again. DD is low on bandwidth, if the time it takes to load a comic is any indication, which means that very literally, a shitty comic is harming one's ability to read a good one.

Someone should read Rick Remender's "A Positive Mental Attitude".

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=127208
An Excerpt:
After all, what do we gain by dumping on someone else�s work? The older I become the more it all seems like an attempt to self-elevate and feel superior, be it born of mindless arrogance, insecurity or simply good old-fashioned, green-eyed bitterness that someone else has found success.

Regardless it's origin it's a total waste of energy.

Naturally, there are things you just don't like and never will. So much music and art is produced that I find hollow and devoid of value, but why should I waste a moment paying any attention to this stuff? I used to subscribe to the theory that we form stronger bonds with people over the mutual hatred of things. That perspective seems narrow, counter productive and ugly to me these days. More and more when I find myself in conversations focused on the negative they becomes draining. Maybe Mom was right, if you can't say anything nice...

We all have stringent views on quality. I'm so accustomed to scrutinizing my own work with such a harsh judgmental eye that I often let that same critical thinking bleed over into my observations of everyone else�s work. As we progress in developing our craft, it becomes too easy to focus only on the weakness in things, and in many cases, to take the fun out of it. Maybe an overall positive attitude would eventually just become natural coming out in all aspects of our lives.

Maybe it would spread and we'd all suddenly be part of a supportive community as opposed to a competitive pack of hyenas. You'll never hear anyone complaining that you were too positive or too supportive of others. Only snide and bitter people find positive thinking repugnant.
Could an industry full of people emulating Mikes supportive attitude be anything other than awesome?

This is no lecture, no set of rules. They say we teach best what we most need to learn, and in my case this is proof positive. I feel the need to stop being judgmental and hypercritical. To set aside rivalry and competition and focus on the great stuff going on in comics right now.

To be more supportive of people and focus more on what made me want to be in comics in the first place: fun and imaginative storytelling.

We can all learn from Mike�s example and be more supportive of each other�s efforts. This is a small industry and even a handful of people who endeavor to think and behave more positively can make a difference.
Mike did.

It is a barren kind of criticism which tells you what a thing is not.
--R. W. Griswold

I feel that with time, I'm gradually elevating towards that higher karmic plateau. It really is happier for the soul.

Of course, this is the int4rn3t and every once in a while everybody would throw a hissyfit.

And even tho hateful ppl aren't happy ppl, they can still be funny and fun for others to read.