Ok,I didn't see any topic about it,and as a member of the best and closest webcomic community here,I should bring this up,because the BWW "underdogs" are constantly linking DD comics in their forum pages.
If you don't know what BWW is,here is a brief history:John Solomon,the self proclaimed webcomic critic,ran a blog site called "Your webomic is bad and you should feel bad" where he bashed dosents of webcomics and particulary targeted the popular ones.He got tremendeous amount of haters and fans,but in 2009 he shut his blog for good because of hate mail and troll attacks.
Now,a few remaining followers decided to make BWW as in,a tribute to John Solomon,and that's how it begins.
But,the site had more problems then imagined.I lurked at the forums a bit and here is the situation:
1.The site is a Wiki-meaning ANYONE can contribute.And most webcomic audience are teenagers,not exactly most polite and literate group.Thanks to their contribution,the moderators had to delete or rewrite many god-awfull,profane filled,badly edited reviews.Thus,the "audience" declined cause the lack of articles and "false" impressions they got from the sites purpose.
2.There are only few members(mostly mods) like Luigian and Lesbot,who are literate enough to write informative articles with constructive criticism and they can restrain themselves from using profanity.And that's not enough to run a Wiki.
3.Sonichu(or the lack of it)-they constantly argue about writing an article of the infamous monstrosity.But the moderators refuse to do it because CWC wiki and ED already have a Bible written about it,and nothing new can be added.Not to mentioned how an articl like that could attract legion of trolls.
4.Gallery of the fallen-article that contains the "bad" webcomics that got deleted.Reasons are authors fear/shame,not paying for site hosting,or maybe a site crash.For whatever reason,this articles provide no use so they argue should they delete them-but almost a third belong in this category,and they don't need more of those.
5.Bland vs. Bad-many webcomics with great art but boring storyline ended up there.
Reading a story that doesn't hold intrest quickly becomes a nightmare,so the writers use the articles to vent their frustration about what they didn't like,completely ignoring the good points.
6.Targeting popular webcomics-Many angry fans are trying to delete the articles,and some BWW members are constantly discussing that option.
7.The "underdogs"-So they have this forum topic called "Is this bad".So the underdog links the comic and asks the moderator's permission to write the article.
In 90% of the time permission is granted,but the article doesn't get written cause the underdog isn't confident to write,or just lazy.
But,more and more DD comics are getting linked,and BWW has some revolution-thingy going on to return their "fame" or whatever,by writing more articles and sending more underdogs in their mission to bash other peoples work.
8.Message from John Solomon calling their site **** and telling them they totaly missed the point of giving criticism and demanding they delete the site cause he is embarassed for any relation with BWW.

Me?I couldn't care less if my stuff ends in that dump of a site.I mean,there mere existence of the BWW is pointless.But many people who put their time in making webcomics would indeed get hurt,so I'm asking you for your opinion about this "site".Sould we fear or ignore it?
Cause,there is potential that we may attract trolls and anonymus bastards,and I don't know how well DD is prepared for that.

Trolls and anonymous bastards are all over the internet and it seems a bit pointless to worry that they will 'find' DD since they are surely already here. Maybe they'll find some of the good comics on DD when they come for the bad. If someone puts something on the internet, they should expect to receive all kinds of response. If anything the internet generally encourages more undeserving people than scares them off. It's basically impossible to protect people from criticism anyway. :]

No such thing as bad publicity, right?

I dunno. I'm usually hyper sensitive when it comes to scathing words and criticism, and yet I also end up jealous of people who get that kind of attention. In the end, if someone links to me, regardless of the context, I have to feel at least a little happy.

If running the site gives the creators and moderators grief, then yeah, they should stop, but some people love that kind of moronic drama, so let them do whatever they want. Like skool said, the internet is full of haters who live to hate. At least when they are gathered in one place, you don't mistake them for legitimate critics.

DD has been around 8 years or so now... Quite a while.
In that time there have been many trolls of various sorts. We even have our own little collection of home grown trolls how attack each other! ...Spriters are particularly internecine :(

There have been comics started that troll all other comics, many nasty blogs of various sorts have linked comics here for the purpose of ridicule- gaining those comics lots of popularity ^_^
Strange fetish comics like Craving Control attracted BIZARRE sorts of attention from all over the place...

People have set up elaborate accounts in order to extravagantly dupe and harass the community too. I remember one particular incident with an account holder by the name of "I Hate Dirt" or something, he had a comic called "Bird and worm". Either him or a few of the people he worked with at a significant Hollywood animation studio spent AGES trolling comics all over DD, setting up hundreds of accounts and being complete dicks. We couldn't just ban him because he had a contract with Platinum because he'd been part of the comic book challenge.

In the end though we did anyway. We convinced them the guy was a complete cock.
And in a strange coda to that performance, the guy's last hurrah was a fake identity called "I Heart artists", where he took the name of one of the girls who had a minor role in his animation studio, with everything drawn in his usual style of course. he strangest thing was though that after being an arsehole in all his other incarnations, as "I Heart Artists" he did the complete opposite and it was super, super dooper "I wuv woo so werrry Much!!!" to everyone.
lol!
It was like the insane uber-toll was finally trying to atone.

Fear it?
Why would I fear people talking about my comic?
That is like a fear of water and oxygen to a webcomic writer!
Getting an article about my comic on there would be AWESOME!

I had an article about Harkovast on there a while ago, sadly it was removed later.
A real shame, it was sending me some good hits.
if anyone here wants to go and make an article about how much they hate harkovast on Bad webcomics wiki, or anywhere else, please do!
Just link to me and its all good.

No, I am not being sarcastic. I mean it! I am deadly serious!

I want publicity, I want people to come read Harkovast.
As long as it links to me, I dont care what you think about it. You are entitled to an opinion and I have no right to tell you not to express it.
I put my comic on the internet and so its effectively been thrown to the wolves. If I only accept people saying nice things about it, I should keep it in a box under my bed and only look at it myself.
Yeah, I want everyone to like it like I do, but if you don't? Doesn't do me any harm.

I have had loads of bad reviews and all of them sent me hits (and many continue to send me hits) and greatly increase my presence on the internet.

So the moral is....if you hate Harkovast, TELL PEOPLE ABOUT IT!

Meh. They can attack me. I don't care.

And I bite back too.

Unless they mean something.

Rawr.

Rawr, rawr.

skoolmonkee-That's exactly what happened to BWW.Instead of fame,they got hatedom,and they have no fanbase whatsoever lol! It's just a matter of days before they delete it.

Usedbooks-I know,right?It really is a strange honour for someone to go threw hundrets of archives and bother to write a long-winded article about it :)

Ozoneocean-wow...someone would acctually get in that much trouble to voice their hate for webcomics?And there are trolls over 18? xD
Being an admin sounds like a non-stop party

Harkovast-*bows down to the king of attention seeking* lol!

1337 Master-you show'em!

harkovast
Fear it?
Why would I fear people talking about my comic?
That is like a fear of water and oxygen to a webcomic writer!
Getting an article about my comic on there would be AWESOME!

I had an article about Harkovast on there a while ago, sadly it was removed later.
A real shame, it was sending me some good hits.
if anyone here wants to go and make an article about how much they hate harkovast on Bad webcomics wiki, or anywhere else, please do!
Just link to me and its all good.

No, I am not being sarcastic. I mean it! I am deadly serious!

I want publicity, I want people to come read Harkovast.
As long as it links to me, I dont care what you think about it. You are entitled to an opinion and I have no right to tell you not to express it.
I put my comic on the internet and so its effectively been thrown to the wolves. If I only accept people saying nice things about it, I should keep it in a box under my bed and only look at it myself.
Yeah, I want everyone to like it like I do, but if you don't? Doesn't do me any harm.

I have had loads of bad reviews and all of them sent me hits (and many continue to send me hits) and greatly increase my presence on the internet.

So the moral is....if you hate Harkovast, TELL PEOPLE ABOUT IT!

they have already haven't they?

I've read the Bad Webcomics Wiki many times, and while it's a good idea (there are, honestly, a lot of truly terrible webcomics out there with highly egotistical creators and blind fanboys that need to be taken down a peg), the execution is off.

Really, from the very start, some filters should have been put in place so that not just anyone could post anything, including profanity laced troll listings. They could have set it up like how the Metal Archives (a similar site but for metal bands) has their review guidelines and moderation review period before a review is posted up. Believe me, it took me three or four tries before a review I wrote for Metal Archives was put up, and it did wonders in making a more coherent, more organized review.

As for Drunk Duck comics appearing as suggestions on their forums, those people should realize that Drunk Duck does not hold a monopoly of bad webcomics. Granted, there are some bad ones on here, but I've read a lot of good ones too. Personally, since I'm also a member of SmackJeeves (Negligence mirror and what-not), I'd say their webcomic selection is worse, but I'll hold back on that for some other time.

I remember I Heart Artists. Fake or not, I wish "she" was still around because she was one of my few "fans," haha.

I was kind of dissapointed with that Wiki. I was ready to work myself up into an unnecessary and indignant rage, but very few of the comics I read seem to be on there. Neither is my own comic, which I actually wouldn't mind since it's been years since Crazy Duck's been reviewed outside of short comments, and I don't have time these days to do my time in the review forum.

crazyduck
I was kind of dissapointed with that Wiki. I was ready to work myself up into an unnecessary and indignant rage...

That reminds of when there was that furore here a few years ago about the Something Awful thread about webcomics... Some here were saying it was all about "honest" and insightful criticism, others said they were just being mean dicks.

I had a look. It was neither. The thread was mostly banal, meaningless, comments, exchanged by very bored people. Nothing to be offended by, but also nothing of interest to read there either. -Unless you wanted to plough through miles of crap in hope of finding something...

I personally think the idea behind it is decent enough, since there definitely are some atrocious webcomics that badly need a wake up call and highly egotistical creators who need to be taken down a peg (even the best-known webcomics are still obscure to everyone outside of the internet community, after all). Heck, a few of the articles even have valid criticisms and offer advice for how to improve.

Most of the articles of late, though, just bash mediocre webcomics. While mediocrity isn't something to aspire to, it's not something worth writing a long, angry article about that, itself, becomes mediocre.

well it's natural to feel peeved when someone badmouths your work. but it happens to everyone eventually. i find in these kinds of situations, you ussually make the situation worse if you try to bitch these people out or whatever. don't be afraid of it. really man. no one on any rung of comic fame is safe form these dickwads.

hell, sometimes it can be kinda funny to see what people say cuz 9 times outa 10, they sure as hell aint professional critics. i remember once someone called putrid meat "disgusting, gorey and boring." :D

are you kidding? a troll could get lost in the sea of shitty sprite comics for years without finding anything that people would care if it's dissed. and even then, there's always plenty of mediocre garbage that could do with a little less praise and a little more punishment.

PIT_FACE
hell, sometimes it can be kinda funny to see what people say cuz 9 times outa 10, they sure as hell aint professional critics. i remember once someone called putrid meat "disgusting, gorey and boring." :D

juvenile, but not inaccurate. your writing tends to drag on in a meandering fashion, and that leaves the reader wondering what's going on too long and if there's any actual point to reading.

you art style is also very much that of the 90's counterculture comic scene, with a lot of grimy violence and cursing, done in a rough unpolished style. while i actually don't mind it (it's a style that's worked very well for others in the past, in spite of how often it's dismissed) your poor writing and generally murky, almost nausea inducing coloring undercuts a lot of its impact. the end result is an underwhelming piece of, well.....lemme just suggest you figure out where you want to take this gig instead of just coasting with it like a slayer cover band.

Genejoke-oh yes,you can practicly smell the bitterness

Elektro-I won't name any webcomics,but I know what you are talking about.
Again,even as a laik who knows nothing about running a site,I can still see how it looks like a mess.DD definetly doesn't have the worst webcomics.
I was once looking threw frontpage stuff or very popular stuff,and all of the 30 "best" comics were stickman,sprite,and 12-year old animu drawings.

Crazyduck-It would be really fun to get your stuff on that site,right?:D
I don't think review forum will help you much,hardly anyone reviews anything.

Ozoneocean-When you google BWW,you will mostly get forum threads of the same bored people arguing about webcomics.Only universal opinion they have is about CAD lol!

The Gravekeeper-Ditto.But the site had hardly any effect thanks to the poor mainatance.The single person,John Solomon,practily made a webcomic revolution,something BWWW members only aspire to do.

PIT_FACE-if you ever posted your art on Newgrounds,you will see how really illiterate preetens are.Contradictory advices are the norm. xD
"Durr,it's cool and everything,but it's also boring"

Orin J Master-woah,what is up with sprite community?Don't rate comics with "1" and call them profane names.Respect your community xD

To be honest, I think more people click on links from bad reviews than good ones. That's just the way society is... we love a good train wreck. So no, I don't fear BWW.

Besides, they are spot on with their Least I Could Do review. I hate that comic more than any other webcomic in the world. I never understood why so many people get on Tim Buckley for his wish fulfillment in Ctrl Alt Del, yet Ryan Sohmer gets a free pass.

Plague Doctor
Only universal opinion they have is about CAD

I know, it's a strange consensus belief :).

zaymac
I never understood why so many people get on Tim Buckley for his wish fulfillment in Ctrl Alt Del, yet Ryan Sohmer gets a free pass.

Never read that other guy's stuff but I did used to read CAD for a while. Till I just found it too repetitive and grating...

I think the reason most people dislike him is because of his success, and because he achieved that success with such bland formulaic stuff. I know I did :)

Now I couldn't care less. Good on him!

I actually sat down and read through a few of these reviews. Like others said, it'll help for the more egotistical creators, possibly to give them some motivation to update more often and improve.

If one day, I see my name up there, I may take very little offense to it, but in all honesty, I'd just use it as motivation to improve even more. So it doesn't bother me that much.

And finding out that CAD is assembled really makes me sick, to be quite truthful. It feels almost like it's some big corporation working on it, that's just trying to get profit (in a way, that's partly true), instead of putting his heart and soul into the comic. It just feels lifeless when it's made like that. We could probably do without that, to be honest.

But it's not all that bad, it's just fun to look through.

there is nothing to fear if you don't make bad webcomics

claus
there is nothing to fear if you don't make bad webcomics

No one's got anything to fear anyway. ;)

everyone is a winner

I absolutely can't stand BWW. It's true, it's not a bad idea if they did it honestly, but it's so transparently the case that a lot of these reviewers are just trying to be as obnoxious as humanly possible for the sake of stirring up drama. This is evident enough from the fact that every review has a section devoted entirely to insulting the comic's creator. What the hell does that have to do with reviewing the comic?!! And Gravekeeper's right, most of the comics there aren't really bad; they're just not great. I feel like the reviewers are bashing comics for committing the cardinal sin of not being perfect, like if you don't have perfect art, a perfectly paced story, and a deeply meaningful message, then they're going to bash your comic and tell you to go hang yourself. Screw them. I guess BWW can make for an entertaining read if you're bored, but they're not an authority on anything.

Oh and something I'm curious about... I wonder if Harkovast really did write that scathing review of I Fell Down The Stairs , or was that some troll trying to be clever?

Man,the title was a mistake.I should have wrote:"Bad Webcomics Wiki-should we give a shit?" xD

Zaymac-Totaly true.It is infact easier to give a bad review,and indeed most audience are getting drawn to that.Regarding Buckley and Sohmer,I think that is because Sohmer's art is clearly superior to CAD-Buckley uses copy past and blurred Google backgrounds,and did infact make an infamous Youtube video showing how he does it.
But yeah,it's the same crap,with latter more polished.

Ozone-have you checked the animated series? lol!CAD forum was clogged with people wanting a refund.

Ryuthehedgewolf-CAD gives you misscarriage

Claus-I fear nothing

El Cid-yes,insulting comic's creator is indeed tasteless,and comic's content has nothing to do with creator's age,sexuality and mental state.
Most of the webcomic artists don't even have a bio or anything,so BWW members just speculate they are dealing with "crazy,gay pervert" or any insult they make up along the way.
BWW could have been a funny,satirical site,like Cracked,but yeah,it evolved to this :)

Plague Doctor
"crazy,gay pervert"

WTF???
How did they find out? >_<

ozoneocean

Plague Doctor
"crazy,gay pervert"

WTF???
How did they find out? >_<

it might help if you changed you user icon, that one tend to make me think of some old burnout hippy trying to talk everyone he meets into the back of his party van for reefer and anal.

Orin J Master

ozoneocean

Plague Doctor
"crazy,gay pervert"

WTF???
How did they find out? >_<

it might help if you changed you user icon, that one tend to make me think of some old burnout hippy trying to talk everyone he meets into the back of his party van for reefer and anal.

Thank you,Captain Obvious ;)

Anyone who contributes to a website called "Bad Webcomics Wiki" is obviously not to be feared. I mean, really? Is there a reason to make a wiki designed purely to bash people? That's what reviews and whiny blogs are for. Anyway, no, we should not give a shit about the place. It's a wiki for opinions, and nothing good can come out of that.

I actually read it often, because for the most part the comics that are spotlighted there are pretty terrible (not all, there are a few I like there, but they're funny nonetheless). And some of the articles are rather hilarious.

I can understand there would be harsh feelings about the place, but hey, you should expect it if you're going into the webcomic community. It's sad, but a thick skin is needed, because not everyone is going to be pleased and they will voice their opinions loudly and clearly.

You really shouldn't get mad at opinions. Because that's just what they are, opinions, not facts of life. You can't change what someone thinks about something based purely on the fact that you don't agree (no matter how much it pisses you off).

It's like they say, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger! Sometimes the rantings of an angry critic can be helpful!

Since I always considered reviewing and criticism as valuable tool in a media like webcomics that lacks of editors, I do check that wiki from time to time.

Most of the early reviews of the site (La Cosa Nostra, Pastel Defender Heliotrope, CAD, Concession, Better Days, Least I Could Do) where actually very accurate and very well written and thought. If less fun, I do think it was more interesting than the John Solomon blog, pointing the weaknesses and flaws of those comics instead of the bashing for the sake of bashing. It really seemed like a project oriented into be a valuable source of analysis and opinion.

However, I think that later reviews are less well put except for some interesting pieces (How I Became Yours). Now a days they seem less dedicated to point objective flaws (or even put some effort into the reviews) and provide actual reviewing and are more concerned with insulting the author, something that is just tasteless.

go ahead.

That gives me free advertising.