I think it is great for all those people replacing their daily strip or recent update with a tribute to the Firefighters and police who gave their life to save all those people that were left after the tragic event.

The entire concept fills me with rage, 9/11 was pretty unpleasant, but things a thousand times worse have happened in the past, and are still happening now, yet they get nothing like this sort of publicity.

When the yearly anniversary of the holocaust rolls around I don't see any holocaust comics, no comics try and draw attention to the AIDS epedemic in africa, the ongoing Darfur conflict or anything about the terrible state that a whole continent is in. but when 3,000 people die on american soil it is apparently a terrible tragedy the likes of which has never been seen before.

And that's what gets me, it really isn't anything like as bad as it has been made out to be, it may be the largest act of terrorism on US soil ever or even in the world, and the ,massive loss of life was indeed terrible, but there are other things that deserve both our rememberence and out imidiate attention considerably more than 9/11.

So if you are going to do a 9/11 comic, could you at least try and remember some other things too? because if you are going to be a political tool you may as well try and make it less obvious.

Indeed, I don't intend to argue with anyone either Mainly because the sort of people who will argue that something that happened 5 years ago needs more rememberance than something worse that happened longer ago are idiots.

Mimarin
The entire concept fills me with rage, 9/11 was pretty unpleasant, but things a thousand times worse have happened in the past, and are still happening now, yet they get nothing like this sort of publicity.

When the yearly anniversary of the holocaust rolls around I don't see any holocaust comics, no comics try and draw attention to the AIDS epedemic in africa, the ongoing Darfur conflict or anything about the terrible state that a whole continent is in. but when 3,000 people die on american soil it is apparently a terrible tragedy the likes of which has never been seen before.

And that's what gets me, it really isn't anything like as bad as it has been made out to be, it may be the largest act of terrorism on US soil ever or even in the world, and the ,massive loss of life was indeed terrible, but there are other things that deserve both our rememberence and out imidiate attention considerably more than 9/11.

So if you are going to do a 9/11 comic, could you at least try and remember some other things too? because if you are going to be a political tool you may as well try and make it less obvious.

Which leaves me 4 words i use in my every day life

Fuck

You

American

Goverment (no offence to the civilians)

flaak_monkey
I think it is great for all those people replacing their daily strip or recent update with a tribute to the Firefighters and police who gave their life to save all those people that were left after the tragic event.

I'm sorry but I hate that sort of quote...something about it just sounds terrible to me...even if it's not ment to.....it sounds like, "Lets make a tribute to the fire fighters and police of 9/11. Wait what? Oh yeah, and the people who died in the towers and planes too."

Mimarin
When the yearly anniversary of the holocaust rolls around I don't see any holocaust comics, no comics try and draw attention to the AIDS epedemic in africa, the ongoing Darfur conflict or anything about the terrible state that a whole continent is in. but when 3,000 people die on american soil it is apparently a terrible tragedy the likes of which has never been seen before.

THANK YOU! :smt038

Just in case my first post didn't put the scale of 9/11 in perspective let me quote some numbers:

Death tolls with rough numbers:

9/11 attacks: 3,000 fatalities

Darfur congflict: Between 60,000 and 160,000 (some sources report far higher, but it is generally thought to be around 70,000) This death toll apparently goes up by about 10,000 a month.

The holocaust: Between 10 and 26 million. Sources seem to agree something closer to 26 million is more accurate

Civilians killed in the Iraq war: Somewhere around 25,000 to 40,000 I couldn't find good sources.

AIDS in africa: 6000 people a day.

It's sad about the conflict and about the deaths that happened 5 years ago, but if the US's policy wasn't "F*** to the World!" maybe this wouldn't have happened. Did you know that after 9/11, states made it so that World History is not mandatory anymore, but made US History stronger? So we can "Learn about what makes us American" more? You'd think we'd WANT to learn World History to find out why a certain terrorist group with roots in Islam wants us dead, but noooo...

This tragedy obsessiveness is all cooked up by the Current Administration's election campaign. They want to talk about 9/11 and Terrorism all the time. I don't see people acting like this on the anniversary of Pearl Harbor.

that's probably because pearly harbour was a legitimate attack on military targets during a time of war, and the only reason it went badly for the US was its complacency.

i think it would be great if people made comics on certian anniveriesy's of other events as well, I was just sayoing since it the most recent attack and BIG thing in America in a long while.

Im not arguring our goverment sucks, but 3,000 innocent people died. Sure in the halocuast Millions of inncoent died, but for some reason one would be offened (not me by any means) by such Neo-Nazi comics.

BUt as I said in the begging of this I really just think it is great period, no matter what it is remembering, it is just nice to see people think of others.

More recent =/= More significant

What I am getting at, is that 9/11 seems to be the only remotley tragic event most americans actually recognise, and most definatley the only one they care about enough to kick up a stink about it, when in comparision to other things it isn't even that bad. It's like the entire country dosen't give a shit about what happens to anyone else, but as soon as something happens to them they are the victims. Even when tens of thousands of innocent people die because of the american government.

Now, what happened was terrible. Don't get me wrong. But I don't think stopping the comics for one day for rememberence is honestly needed. You want to really thank the people, go volunter. Do something.

I appreciate the fact people make art for it, cause it was an important event, but I don't think any of us are gonna forget that those innocent people died, and people are fighting for them still.

Some people are really disturbed by the 9/11 comics, but I think it's good just to get the information out there.

I think the reason this is made to be such a big deal because it hit so close to home. Sure, you can talk about the Holocaust and AIDS in Africa, but most people do not get the connection that real people are dying. They are just used to reading numbers in the newspaper. Since people and their families were actually in the World Trade Centers at the time of the hijacked planes, it's sort of a realization that huge tragedies are happening in reality and not just words and letters on paper.

9/11 doesn't have the right connotation to me. Around here, it hardly seems like a day of rememberance as much as it is a day to promote patriotism and support for the military. Around here, you'd think it was the 4th of July again. I've heard all sorts of tributes on the radio and stores even have sales based on 9/11. It's strange that the day doesn't get nearly as much media and commercial attention in the Washington, DC area.

.: isukun :.

I have said this to many people in the past and I'll say it again. It's in the past. Everything is in the past. Yeah, when something bad happens, it deserves out attention. But after a while (let's say around a month. Maybe a bit longer for the real tragedies, which this may be one) you don't need to act like it happened yesterday.

and the only reason people remember this date is, not because it was a terrorist attack, not because it was against America, not because it was a tragedy, but because of the date itself. Raise your hand if you know the date of the attack on Pearl Harbor? Ok, a good few. Raise your hand if you know the date of the Night of Broken Glass(I think that's it. Anycase, it was the supposed start of the Holocaust). Even less. Hell, how many of you know the day Katrina, the supposed worst storm in in American History, hit? I know I don't and I live in Southern America(Not close enough to evacuate my home, but we did get some bad weather). The only reason we know this date is because it's 9-1-1. It's like the Goldberg commercial. You may have never dialed the number in your life, but you still know the number(800-600-6014)

There have been a lot of other tragidies, they just didn't happen on convienient days.

By the by, just to add a little irony to your day. When the Twin Towers were built, the buliding structure was designed the way it was for the purpose of surviving a plane attack.

I think what we all need to do is put 9/11 behind us. (criminy I hate saying "9/11" as if we can boil a terrorist attack down to a catchy phrase). We need to heal and let go. It bothers me that every year when this date rolls around we remind the terrorists behind it of just how hurt we were by the attack... just how successful they were. We keep annually reminding them that they can change our lives.

I say enough. We should learn from the attacks, improve our security and intelligence, and then live happy lives. That's just what they don't want. And for crying out loud, can we get news reporters to stop eulogizing the event with ratings-grabbing words of pain and defeat?

Sorry, I'm not against the 9/11-themed comics and I think it's a nice gesture. Authors should just keep in mind that 299 million people didn't die in the attack, and for them to not live in fear is the only real way to make 9/11 unsuccessful.

I agree with much of the sentiment in this post, the thing that gets me is that most of these tribute pages arn't very good.

I could make an oversized American flag in MS Paint too, but I would hardly call that a tribute.

I really don't mind the content of a comic as long as it's well made, and I've yet to see a well made 9/11 tribute.

OH WAIT I FORGOT THAT IRON WORKERS OF 911 SPECIAL ON SPIKE TV LAWLS.

enough with the anti american conspiracy theories already. Yes its blown way out of proportion, yes people are going all gah gah about it despite much worse happened and is happening. This is merely because the masses are ignorant of history and/or are people who are unable to grasp anything they don't experience first hand. The reason 9-11 gets the publication it does is because so many americans experienced it first hand, and this is probably their ONLY first hand experience with such things in their entire lives. Out of sight, out of mind, but this time it IS in sight.

This doesn't mean that you should put it down with statements like "fuck american government" and other such bullshit. That people are getting riled up about it is a good thing, that people care is a good thing. Then some of them might actually notice there are other things to care about in the world; but that is NOT why its a good thing, its just FURTHER good that can come from people caring!

And as for 9-11 merchandising and marketing schemes... Vultures would be an insult to the bird.

Then some of them might actually notice there are other things to care about in the world

I find it is more of a distraction. It pulls people's focus back inward instead of looking outward to where the real problems lie.

.: isukun :.

Mimarin
that's probably because pearly harbour was a legitimate attack on military targets during a time of war, and the only reason it went badly for the US was its complacency.

But the US wasn't IN the war at that time. Of course we were assisting the Allies through the Lend-Lease act, but there was still the fact that we hadn't joined the war. Therefore it wasn't "legitimate".

It's still a legitimate attack on a military base. Pearl Harbor wasn't an attack on something like Waikiki (about 10 min away), Pearl Harbor was a military strategy point.

duck
It's still a legitimate attack on a military base. Pearl Harbor wasn't an attack on something like Waikiki (about 10 min away), Pearl Harbor was a military strategy point.

Correct.

I really don't see how a conventional attack against a strategic military location during a time of war, against an ally of your enemy can ever be considered illegitimate.

Unless attacking the military forces of an unfriendly power is against the rules or something.

Well, I thought i'd just point this out....
Alot of the other tragedies are easy to forget the dates of, seeing as they happened so long ago. 9/11 was not only recent, but the name makes it easy to remember the date.

Coincidently Krystalnacht was on 9/11 if you date it the english way. what a lovely coincidence.

isukun
9/11 doesn't have the right connotation to me. Around here, it hardly seems like a day of rememberance as much as it is a day to promote patriotism and support for the military. Around here, you'd think it was the 4th of July again. I've heard all sorts of tributes on the radio and stores even have sales based on 9/11. It's strange that the day doesn't get nearly as much media and commercial attention in the Washington, DC area.

it's actually rather disturbing that we even commercialize tragedies such as this for profit. Two movies about it and hundreds of tv specials/commemorative items isn't right.

Also, I've heard about a 5hr commercial free docu-drama that aired on abc which did some blaming of the clinton administration for not pre-empting the attack because he was too busy dealing with his monica scandal?

equinox
That sort of stuff disgusts me. People die and everyone is trying to capitalize on the tragedy. Money seems to be the only thing anyone cares about anymore.

Well no. You just SEE the ones trying to capitalize on it. It might be 1 in a million who does that, but that all it takes for it to be commercialized.

Well no. You just SEE the ones trying to capitalize on it. It might be 1 in a million who does that, but that all it takes for it to be commercialized.

I'd have to say it was far more than 1 in a million. It isn't just the TV specials and movies. Stores have sales, people still sell flags, stickers, and those ribbons. Heck, you can even get the twin towers on your license plate with "we will never forget" on it. Printing companies still sell the posters. Go into any 7/11 and you'll find 9/11 stuff on sale any day of the year. It's kind of hard NOT to see the ones capitalizing off the tragedy, they are so common.

.: isukun :.

isukun

Well no. You just SEE the ones trying to capitalize on it. It might be 1 in a million who does that, but that all it takes for it to be commercialized.

I'd have to say it was far more than 1 in a million. It isn't just the TV specials and movies. Stores have sales, people still sell flags, stickers, and those ribbons. Heck, you can even get the twin towers on your license plate with "we will never forget" on it. Printing companies still sell the posters. Go into any 7/11 and you'll find 9/11 stuff on sale any day of the year. It's kind of hard NOT to see the ones capitalizing off the tragedy, they are so common.

You are right, its not 1 in a million, more like 1 in 10,000. Which in a 300 mil ppl. country adds up to alot.

I'm so glad we live in a world full of people with laughable short attention spans.

Titch
I'm so glad we live in a world full of people with laughable short attention spans.

Or a world where people have laughably short lives an insufficient communication capability (and a tendancy to lie) causing them to not take anything they haven't experienced first hand seriously.

i know this might sound heartless but the only that effected me is that i hear about them so much it gets on my nerves.

the only reason hearing 9\11 at any point bothers me is because i got bored watching the scene where the towers were struck, again and again and again and again, i'm sure they played that footage at least 20 to 30 times, i mean two towers erupting in flame is cool but jeez it does get old after a while.

i think i single-handedly said the most heartless thing in this forum, that's a problem i have the whole not caring thing.