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Aug 22,`08 9:14am | Quote |

My comic Surfboards and RayGuns made it to the top 10 in the comic book challenge,
which I'm really proud of, but we still need votes.
We've been running way low on votes and the voting ends tomorrow.

So please if you can lend some support and vote for Surfboards and RayGuns as many times as you can. I could really use any help you can give.
Thanks so much Drunk Duck.

~Brad
http://www.comicbookchallenge.com/pitch.php?id=2789

 
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Aug 22,`08 10:22am | Quote |

this may be the wrong forum, but you got my vote anyway.

 
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Aug 23,`08 7:17pm | Quote |

Hey Bittenbymonk,

Looks like you were right it was the wrong forum.
Thanks so much for voting.

Anyone else? I think voting ends tomorrow so cast a few votes for your favorite
surfing comic.

Please and thank you.
~Brad

http://www.comicbookchallenge.com/pitch.php?id=2789

 
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Aug 23,`08 8:15pm | Quote |

Don't worry man, I voted a bunch of time for you

Find out what George is up to:

Go! Visit George or he may have to eat you!*

*Disclaimer: George may or may not eat violators depending on hunger level and scarcity of better tasting prey.
 
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Aug 27,`08 11:37am | Quote |

Ah well you put in a good run, i'm not really impressed with any of the top 3 now, marvin and joe seems like the worst idea ever. (but i could be wrong, i just don't have a liking for old characters i guess)

Keep trying, i bet there's plenty of other places that's enjoy your comic

 
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Aug 27,`08 1:50pm | Quote |

Brad, what disappointment!
I voted for ya several times, but some people may have pushed for family and friends to vote and vote, and voe again which tips the scales unfairly.
I think your comic is heads and shoulders above these three that are chosen.
How sad.
But you were in the top 10.

 
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Aug 28,`08 10:39am | Quote |

Hey Thank you guys.

I'm happy with how far Surfboards and RayGuns went, I had a lot of fun being a part this years challenge.
If more people know of and read S&RG because of the CBC, then I still win.

New page up today by the way.
Thanks again.
~Brad

 
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Sep 5,`08 8:28am | Quote |

Wait, they let people vote multiple times on the same IP address? WHAT?!

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http://www.drunkduck.com/Berserk_Final/

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Sep 6,`08 1:19am | Quote |

"ccs1989" Said:

Wait, they let people vote multiple times on the same IP address? WHAT?!

Looks like the voting process is set up the same way as American Idol. That is to say, retarded.


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Sep 7,`08 5:49pm | Quote |

Congrats on the publicity, man, but seriously - you don't want to win the contest. Not only will you lose the rights to your creation, Platinum has a horrific reputation in the industry; they don't pay on time, don't properly advertise their comics, etc...After everything I've read, they don't do right by the creators they employ. Go read DJ Coffman's blog - http://www.djcoffman.com/tikibar/ - he won the first CB challenge, became a big cheerleader for Platinum, and then got screwed.

I'd take my creation and keep it - get the publicity, but cross your fingers you lose, because that's better than winning with that gang.

Go read Pixel.

http://pixel.bombsheltercomics.com
 
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Sep 7,`08 8:53pm | Quote |

"Sean C" Said:

Congrats on the publicity, man, but seriously - you don't want to win the contest. Not only will you lose the rights to your creation, Platinum has a horrific reputation in the industry; they don't pay on time, don't properly advertise their comics, etc...After everything I've read, they don't do right by the creators they employ. Go read DJ Coffman's blog - http://www.djcoffman.com/tikibar/ - he won the first CB challenge, became a big cheerleader for Platinum, and then got screwed.

I'd take my creation and keep it - get the publicity, but cross your fingers you lose, because that's better than winning with that gang.

Cuz most Webcomic creators get paid for their webcomics and have a chance to see it in print. That's sarcasm in case you can't tell.
I'd say don't enter this competition if you're the unrealistic type, if you're gonna quit and throw a fit when your 'batman' isn't getting the respect it deserves- then get some guts and go play with marvel and DC. I'm sure they'd love the team attitude and resume in webcomics.

While platinum is indeed a big screw up i admire them for even considering that webcomics deserve to be taken this seriously, maybe someday they will be.
Till then i'll keep mocking the people who are demanding money from it.



 
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Sep 7,`08 9:50pm | Quote |

Actually, it is possible to make money on webcomics and see them in print.

From Wikipedia:

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Some artists are able to work on their webcomics full-time without needing a day job to support it. This group of "professional webcomic artists" includes Mike Krahulik and Jerry Holkins of Penny Arcade, James Kochalka of American Elf,[39] Randall Munroe of xkcd,[40] Brian Clevinger of 8-Bit Theater,[41] Eric Millikin of Fetus-X,[42] Tim Buckley of Ctrl+Alt+Del,[43] and many others. Most of these artists began their comics as a hobby, but succeeded to the point that they could live off donations and merchandise.

There are different ways for webcomic artists to earn money, such as donations, advertising, and merchandising. Some use tip jars (through PayPal, for instance) or solicit donations through drives. Some sell merchandise featuring their artwork, or sell their artwork directly, sometimes under commission. If a webcomic has enough traffic, advertising and/or subscription revenue can also be generated. Some successful webcomics have subsequently been reprinted in book compilations, often self-published. Examples of webcomics in print include PvP, Penny Arcade, Sluggy Freelance, and Megatokyo, as well as many others.

Some webcomics, such as Helen, Sweetheart of the Internet, Van Von Hunter[44] and Diesel Sweeties[45] have been syndicated and published on daily newspapers' comics pages. Others such as The Perry Bible Fellowship and PartiallyClips have been published in smaller alternative newspapers, or printed in magazines, such as The Order of the Stick in Dragon Magazine[46] and Get Your War On in Rolling Stone.[47]


Now, this is clearly the minority, but like I said, it is possible. Without selling away your rights to the title.

Also, these days webcomics become more and more attractive to publishers. A title that's consistently on time and features good art and writing AND comes with established fanbase is a safer bet than an unknown title pitched to the publisher (that might have a good idea/art but there's no guarantee that the book will do well in stores).

Anyway, with all the Print-on-Demand options out there seeing a book with your name is fairly simple. Going to use that myself once the storyline is complete :D

 
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Sep 8,`08 4:01pm | Quote |

After reading that one of Platinum's head honchos actually feels that comic artists are a disposable commodity - that there would always be people lining up to work for them as others get screwed and walk away, sorry, Skullbie, but that doesn't deserve ANY respect. That's an organization that takes advantage of people, that has no concept of good faith for artists. They deserve every bit of scorn and bit of bad publicity that they receive, as they've done everything they can to deserve it.

Go read Pixel.

http://pixel.bombsheltercomics.com
 
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Sep 9,`08 11:11am | Quote |

Comic artists ARE a disposable commodity though most of the time =p

In business you have to get your hands dirty. If Platinum was some 100% "nice guy" company it would be in worse financial trouble than it is.

Most artists tend to want their cake and eat it too. You can't normally have great exposure, creative controls/freedoms, and be untouchable all at once.

Artists have to sacrifice rights for more publicity.

I doubt I would sell my work to ANY company, because I am too greedy with my characters, story, and concepts.


My job is the same way. Most every other factory job is gone now from my area. So now my job is cracking down on it's employees like never before. Jobs are hard to find. There are 100 people waiting to take my place if I quit or get fired.

It sucks, I sure don't like being on the receiving end of it, but it's good business. When employees ask too much it becomes a huge headache for the higher ups. They want more too y'know =p

EDIT: On topic, I voted for you a few times. Like I told you at your comic, you did GREAT! Nothing to be ashamed of at all Bradleyo

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Sep 9,`08 1:26pm | Quote |

Yikes!! This topic took a turn for the interesting.
Ok, here's my two cents.

Both sides of this conversation are correct, at least the way I see it.
Winning the CBC would mean surrendering all rights to your creation, but not without reward.
You would be paid a decent salary to continue creating your creation, and essentially be given an easy ride to the print and publishing industry with tons of exposure.

That same exposure would takes years of hard work and commitment in the webcomic market, with little financial reward, although the freedom of working on a webcomic is pricless. You are in complete controle of your creation. Like Aurora Borealis added, you can make money off your webcomic, but just not as easy as being on a page rate.

As for Platinum, I've heard the horror stories, but I have to add throughout the whole comic book challenge, they have been nothing but supportive and accommodating to everyone in the top 50, top 10 and I'm sure top 3. Dan Forcey in particular was really cool to deal with.

I'd like to be in print eventually, but I'm happy being part of the webcomic community. It gives me the freedom and time to perfect my craft, and slowly build a fan base. And the feedback lets me know where I need work.

Sorry if two cents is more like two bucks.
~Brad


 
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Sep 9,`08 3:17pm | Quote |

They were kind to DJ Coffman and the other contestants, too. However, he found out that they don't pay people on time - which is great if you have bills to pay, they DON'T actually promote your comic after the contest is over (How much of Hero by Night and Gunplay did you hear about after they won the CBC? DJ put money into ads himself, since Platinum wouldn't.), mismanage the property with a level of incompetence that defies logic, and if you complain, off you go, and they work to discredit you. What they really want is to get a property that they can make a fortune off as a movie, like they did with Men in Black. That's why they're hemorrhaging money, paying all their creators late, (many have yet to receive their 2nd quarter earnings)and are the laughingstock of the comics industry - they run a bad business; they burn people.

There are so many other avenues to publishing, like Image, Oni, Dark Horse, all of these smaller publishers take submissions. Zuda's been pretty decent, too. Hell, even self-publishing gives you a better business plan than Platinum. Put a business-plan together and apply for a Xeric Grant; you might get the cash to print it and distribute it yourself.

All I'm saying, man, is that the CBC seems too good to be true, and it has a PROVEN track record that, yes, it is too good to be true. All I can do is give you a heads-up that they aren't honest people, and they haven't made any moves to properly run a comic business.

Go read Pixel.

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Sep 9,`08 7:09pm | Quote |

"Sean C" Said:

They were kind to DJ Coffman and the other contestants, too. However, he found out that they don't pay people on time - which is great if you have bills to pay, they DON'T actually promote your comic after the contest is over (How much of Hero by Night and Gunplay did you hear about after they won the CBC? DJ put money into ads himself, since Platinum wouldn't.), mismanage the property with a level of incompetence that defies logic, and if you complain, off you go, and they work to discredit you. What they really want is to get a property that they can make a fortune off as a movie, like they did with Men in Black. That's why they're hemorrhaging money, paying all their creators late, (many have yet to receive their 2nd quarter earnings)and are the laughingstock of the comics industry - they run a bad business; they burn people.

There are so many other avenues to publishing, like Image, Oni, Dark Horse, all of these smaller publishers take submissions. Zuda's been pretty decent, too. Hell, even self-publishing gives you a better business plan than Platinum. Put a business-plan together and apply for a Xeric Grant; you might get the cash to print it and distribute it yourself.

All I'm saying, man, is that the CBC seems too good to be true, and it has a PROVEN track record that, yes, it is too good to be true. All I can do is give you a heads-up that they aren't honest people, and they haven't made any moves to properly run a comic business.

You remind me of Kyupol ranting about reptoids. (where is kyu anyhow?)

The fact that he made enough to pay bills is insane no wonder platinum ran out of $. :x There are some downright AMAZING artists in the indie comic with 10x better art and story that barely sell or get 1/100th of the recognition HbN gets. So he put his OWN money into adverts? So have hundreds of other people! Drow tales spends loads of money on ads Everyday- sometimes up to 200$ a day!

Those are some good alternatives you named , oni and dark horse are my personal favs. It's not as suger easy to do that as you're making it seem but they can be done with luck.

I suppose i'm coming down so hard since this topic has been discussed to death in general discussion, if you go to GD and go a few pages back you can find many platinum threads to fuel your perspective or cool it- they are usually locked so easier to find.


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