KevinClifford came up with Idea for a sprite admin/Mod because there are alot of sprite comics and sprites that are being stolen and stuff. The said admin/Mod should know what he(or she) is doing with a sprite comic, and possibly have a successful one on DrunkDuck.
This admin/Mod would be responsible for anything that goes wrong within the spriting community of DD. And must somehow correct these wrongs. I'm posting this for him cause he's not really into forums...

I Nominate Kevin Clifford.
Author of Pokemon Heros.

>.>

I second that nomination... I guess...

Here, I did an "interview" with the first nominee.



[14:40] Donovan: What would you do as a Sprite Comic Admin?
[14:41] KevinClifford: Administrate?
[14:41] Donovan: No, what would you do to help DrunkDuck?
[14:41] Donovan: How would you administrate?
[14:42] Donovan: Give examples of what you would do if anything goes wrong.
[14:42] KevinClifford: I'd cut back on the people who steal sprites.
[14:42] KevinClifford: Freezing their accounts, and such.
[14:42] Donovan: Point taken...
[14:43] Donovan: What else could you do?
[14:43] KevinClifford: Umm...
[14:44] KevinClifford: With a higher position, people might actually listen to me when I critique them >.>
[14:44] Donovan: Point taken.
[14:44] KevinClifford: <.<;
[14:44] Donovan: But you can't freeze the account of someone that DOESN'T follow your criticism.
[14:44] KevinClifford: I wouldn't do that, no.
[14:45] KevinClifford: I'd do what I do now.
[14:45] Donovan: Basically just critique
[14:45] KevinClifford: Critique. If someone reports my own comment, fine. I'll remove it myself.
[14:45] Donovan: So then, how would you handle so-called "anti-sprite" comics?
[14:46] KevinClifford: ...Well, I can't. DD is an American Website. Free Speech and all.
[14:46] Donovan: True. Thank you for your time. XD

If any of the admins do , or even consider, hiring someone to administrate sprite comics, I think it should be a person who...

A. Make a minimum to NO mistakes themselves. Not perfect, but able to give critique but keeping a balanced comic themselves. (Mainly because since most of the spriters on DD are young and usually arrogant, they'll blast the person if they make mistakes themselves.)

B. They should be active with the DD community. Actually know some admins, or are friendly with em. Post on forums and are generally known. You know, like, everyone knows who Black_Kitty is, but does everybody know who I am? Nope, didn't think so.

C. Have top notch grammar, nuff said.

Since there are little to no spriters who meet up to any of those requirements, this seems kinda silly. Besides, nobody administrates comics anyway. :P

ahh....i see...you guys want an admin for spriters...kevin is the best suited for that job i spose..although it is pretty dense...

sprites get stolen,..so fucking what, it just means the guy that stole it likes your sprite...as long as everyone you can tell, finds out...he wont get any glory

calm down people


but if you insist upon a spriters admin...kevin i suppose

You wouldn't need an Admin for that sort of thing. The powers and duties of an admin wouldn't help them out in administering sprite problems. A sprite forum with a mod to take care of it wouldn't be a bad idea though...

But you CAN easily make your own user forums. Why not simply decide who's the biggest cheese in the DD sprite comics world and all go to his forums? He (or she) could be your designated representative: You come to them with problems, decide on stolen sprites and such and then he can talk to the DD admins if the situation really requires it? But really I think you guys could just kick stealers out of your group and not give them anymore help if the persist.

I think that's a good suggestion, Ozone.

I know there are a lot of spriters here on DD but I really don't see much of them. Maybe if we had a spriting subforum (an idea that has been discussed before) would give them more of a place to talk, but it's my understanding that most of them visit long-established spriter specific forums most of the time, for the spriting type discussion. I think Ozone's idea might be better, a forum based around a comic account rather than one of the DD forums, because that just sounds a bit closer-knit, and plus you'll have a built in moderator.

I think that the things you guys want are good ideas, but I don't think a specific DD admin is needed to do that sort of thing. I'm not sure that an admin with a specific community to watch is a good idea- that sort of sets up a precedent of rules and oversight that don't really need to happen at the site-wide level. An admin shouldn't be a threat- we're just here to keep the peace and manage the overall sorts of things. A DD admin enforces the site rules, not the informal rules of subgroups.

As far as stealing sprites goes... the tricky part is that sprite comics are a bit of legal grey area already - if someone has original sprites and a second person steals them, then we admins can take action on that if that's what the original creator wants. If someone has comic pages made with sprites and another person steals the pages outright, we can do something about that too, if the original creator wants. But recolors, retouches, etc, technically aren't truly original and we can't enforce much when it comes to them. :[

No doubt, i nominate Kevin....

I don't nominate kevin. He's good with the group of spriters here but, I just don't think it'd be a good Idea anyway. Sprites are sprites. It's like sega/nintendo/capcom/other companies, complaining about using the original sprites.

But hey, if you have that much pride, just make another forum, dicuss, and report it to the DD admins.

Well I kinda think this a little silly Its like they are JUST sprites images really but if some one got there sprites stolen just ask them to stop using them or ask if they refuse then you should talk to the admins if they still refuse then thats when you can take legal action besides sprites comic are at the bottom of the comic chain its like 1.drawn comic 2.screen shot comic and then theres US or spriters and sprite comic now im just summing them up there are a few others but really spriters are at the bottom

Quite a few spriters spend time at the Mixed Forum, which is an InvisionFree forum I created for Mixed Bag Comics ages ago. Me, NDraxian0 and Blaze are always willing to help people with Writing and Formatting problems, 16-bit spriting, and 8-bit spriting (respectively) for whoever may need them. Just tacked on a forum RPG system, though... so... if you feel like playing a game, it's a fun place to be also XD

And then a whole big chunk of them are over on Middle Ground Forums. They've got plenty of people from DD hanging out there conversing and helping each other out.

There are MANY other forums of this sort... but I can't say I spend any time at 'em.

But yeah... a spriting forum here on the DD forums will only attract LOTS of anti-spriters and a bunch of flamewars. Not the kind of problem I'd think ya'll would want to deal with :\

That's what we'd have mods for.

It's really hard to set rules on a forum that's on as shaky of a ground as that of sprites.

Anytime you use someone else's copyrighted work - be it a character, art, image, or story - aren't you possibly violating copyright law? I think we had a discussion about this in another forum... and under "fair use" policies in copyright law, fan art (including most sprites I've seen here) would violate said "fair use" policy.


It seems to me it'd behoove DD to appoint someone in charge of getting rid of these sprites for legal reasons. I'm certainly in no position to give legal advice, but I'm guessing a policy of "the user is responsible not to publish copyrighted work and/or not to violate copyright laws" without positive, pro-active enforcement... is a policy that will not hold up in court.

Sonic the Hedgehog sprite comics here is a good example. We all see tons of sprite comics with him as the star all the time and they're probably all in copyright law violation since they seem to steal game content for their own comic as well as use the character is the first place.

Spriters don't really have anything to lose for using copyrighted images... I'm guessing not many people would actually go after individuals for using copyrighted material, especially if they're not making money for it. DD, however, has something to lose I'd think.


Meh, what do I know? There's probably wiser and smarter people than me who have already resolved this issue here. I'm sure the DD folk know this; have thought it through; and have covered their butts in regards to this anyways.

As for an admin/mod who administrates the sprite community... it sounds like a good idea. Especially if one of their functions was to remove illegal sprites.

my 2 cents.
~Jerome~

Game companies, etc whose sprites people use to make comics aren't losing anything really. It's like a huge amount of free publicity. As long as people are using those characters, those characters never die. they don't even have to keep making games for them, there's people out there making up new stuff for them all the time. Sure they're put to questionable uses sometimes, but most of them never seem to care about that, and I've never heard of anyone making money off a Sonic sprite comic. Drunk Duck doesn't step in and start saying 'no' because that isn't our business, we can't say for Company X whether they want their sprites used or not. As long as they don't have a problem with it, neither do we.

I'm certain all those places know about Drunk Duck and other comic sites that let people have sprite comics... most large companies like that have people to search down that kind of thing. We've not gotten any cease and desist orders to stop hosting any sprites. We did have someone once who started posting modified Garfield pages - and we got a cease and desist letter from United Comics (or whoever it is) right away. We had a similar problem when we featured Weapon X, which was hand-drawn but used Wolverine. (We had to un-feature it but not stop hosting it, or something.)

he knows what hws doing, but in my opinion is a little to harsh.
TOOOOO harsh.

We typically discuss possible moderator/admin candidates among ourselves before asking them if they're interested. If a user isn't into forums though, we generally wouldn't consider them for a moderator/admin position. Sure DrunkDuck host comics but the community is a HUGE aspect of DrunkDuck and the forum is usually where it happens. It's not personal and I'm sure he's a nice guy but we really do need active people when we're looking for help.

I know there have been cases of sprite stealing in the past but having an admin specifically for sprites will not solve the issue itself. As Skoolmunkee said, if the sprites don't belong to you to begin with, we cannot help you. Now if they were original sprites (pixel art, whatever you like to call it), then we treat it like every other original art out there. In which case, any admin can help you out with that.

There's not really ANY solution for a problem like that :\

I dunno... If there was a sprite group that all DD spriters were into, a stealer could just be kicked out and not allowed to access the benefits of the group: no protection, no sharing of sprite sheets, web design help, involvement in events and tournaments etc...

If interested spriters formed a group around a forum, a few could check out new sprite comics on DD all the time and ask them to join as well, extolling the benefits of the sprite group. Could be something good.

So wait... you're saying that making a sprite section would be a GOOD thing? o_O;

That would be great cause on the fourms some spriters are scoled and put down by bad comments from people who draw comic there are some who dont such as admins and other people but a lot just think spriters are just a waste of space of course i dont think that

hmm, either here or spriters could congregate around another popular spriter's subforum ...
OR they could make a special comic account and that comic's forum could be the "go to" place, like what we're doing with the forum for the Drunk Duck Civil War comic and its forum: http://www.drunkduck.com/community/?comic_id=13243

Although I'm not a sprite comic artist myself, I do think that this idea is pretty neat for those certain types of artists out there.

This topic brings me to another point. I there would be a sprite admin/mod, then wouldn't the other types of artists want a certain mod/admin for themselves?

Kevin doesn't rely want to ba an admin, guys >.>
He thinks we should have a sprite admin, but not himself.
Well... it's more that he doesn't think that he's worthy
Here's an IM convo, between us.

That's pretty cool of him ^_^
A sprite guy wouldn't need to be an admin though,as I said. Being an admin just means helping out a bit more with the whole site and the forums... It's more general than what you need.

If we did get a sprite subforum on the main forum group, a mod in charge of it would be able to handle everything just fine if any issues were brung in there and they could take anything special to the admins, (but could probably handle most things within the forum)... But why not set up something like I suggested with the special comic and connected forum? It works! TASC started that way and they were antisprite and very successful! A pro sprite group should work even better shouldn't it?

What about The Sprite comic Police?

I mean, they even have police in their names, are they not supposed to kinda patrol this place for these problems?(if they have the time...) I know they help fellow spriters, but still, I thought these people were supposed to deal with these problems.

I am most likely going to be corrected on this, as I am not a regular forum member anymore.

Yeah, Roel, it seems that the SCP has pretty much died. Only about 3 actively posting users... Sad really. I'm the only from there on DD... Got one at SJ, and of course one at MG (Since Xergrim now works there...)

Oh my God, I actually posted a reply :O Hell's gonna freeze over!

..Kay, I might as well set things straight:

With the owner of the aforementioned SCP, I normally discuss some ideas I think about pitching to Dylan and the rest of the admins, by getting someone else to post for me Normally he tells me it's a bad idea, or would be a waste of time... However this time he actually told it would be good ... So, I told a few more people (Including most of the people who have already commented here.) about my idea; and, of course, had mixed responses. Justin, aka YoshiRider4, here said the idea was good, over the Gabbly (It should have the history of our chat, but... It doesn't seem to display for me :-\) so I told him to post it; thus the creation of this topic. Most of the replies here have been caused by me spreading the URL...



Why thank you :D But, still, I don't think I'd deserve it... I was just suggesting the idea, I wasn't expecting to to happen or anything; hell, I was expecting it to get locked. So, I'm not really sure why people said for me to do it, yes I've helped... The majority of the spriting community on DrunkDuck, but that's not really an accomplishment... I think... Damn I'm too modest.

I pretty much have a response for every question people have asked... So...



The only problem is that not everyone would join it.. TASC had, what, 20 members? There's like triple the amount of that in people actually making fun of comics here >_> Then you need to factor in the fact that not everyone likes forums, or posting in a forum (Like myself.)



Well if you look at it this way, there's really only two groups of comics: Sprites and Drawn. All of the admins own drawn comics, so that's pretty much covered. :P



Not a question, but whatever. LowResAtari fits all three requirements ;P I'd be eliminated because of B.

If SO MANY COMICS WEREN'T RATED M, I MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP THEM MORE.

>.<!!!

Seriously though, I try to help as many comics out there as I can. But, there's just too many sprite comics out there and not all of them listen to my advice. And there's not anything I can do about that. TASC was much more effective, because they were alot more negative. I wish TASC were still intact...

I could be the admin or mod ;D

I'm friendly and don't bite, heh...

I am a devoted sprite comic artist, I update everyday, offer advice to people who seek it, and I get viewers involved with my comic with the contests that my comic is based around. I have risen from the ranks of beginner to expert. I am a spriter for the common man!

So vote for me, FuzzyMuzzy ;D