No I'm not being angsty, but I just gotta get this off my chest.
Alright, the first one or two "Tournament" sprite comics were novel, a bit interesting and in a few cases, a decent read.
Then there were more.
And more.
And now ohdearjesusI'mdrowninginsprites.
Seriously people, it's BEEN DONE. SO. DAMN. MUCH.
We do -NOT- need another "plz sign up so i cn make this!!1" freaking sprite tournament! Half the sprite authors on DD are in about 50 of the damn things already! Jeebus Effing Christ on a snake-filled airplane!
Just stop already!
Agh! x_x
And yes, Every word of that mangled sentence is a link to a different tourny comic.
The same goes for Pok�©mon. If I see another comic titled "Pokemon <random word> version" I'm going to murder someone.
Messily.
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I agree, but little can be done to stop this. Apart from TASC, there is no real orgainized resistance against sprite tourneys.

The admins have chosen to allow any comic on the site, regardless of the quality. While I utterly despise sprite tourneys, I have to agree with their decision. Once they start regulating the sprites, who next? Manga? Furry? Hentai? Sci-Fi? The sprites have to stay, if only to cover our asses too.

But over at TASC, we try to locate lower quality sprite comics, and stimulate them to improve. The overall shitfactor seems to decrease during times when TASC is very active, so certainly we are doing something right.

they have been around for a while and the experts at TASC don't see them going anywhere.

one of the key aspects of "bad Spriting" is the deadly laze, the conept of making as little of the content of your comic as possible, Tournament comics as perfect for this as you don't need to:

- Make any of the sprites used in your comic.
- Think up a plot.
- Think up dialogue.
- Otherwise tell a story in any way.
- Come up with jokes.
- Even change the background.
- Try in any way.
- Think in any way.

Any idiot can do a sprite tournament with bad recolours, thus we have lots of them, they are pretty much the pinacle of awful spriting at the moment. I think we need to instigate an official campaign against them.

I still never understood the point of sprite tournies >_>

Duh, it's to see who is the best!
Lolz

yes, this problem needs to be adressed, it's an overused concept and has no future anywhere, any new sprite tourney creators should be lined up and shot (unless the comic in question is having a dig at sprite tourneys).
i only used to do sprite comics because of my lack of a scanner and lack of mouse-skill

The reality: unless you find a way to brainwash the spriters themselves into not doing this stuff (not a bad idea, IMO), there's nothing that can (or will) be done. DD's all about people creating comics, no matter what kind of comics they are. Everyone gets to do what they feel like (as long as it's not too illegal), and just because people don't like it doesn't mean they have to stop.

So, I guess, don't read those comics? That's my advice.

there's like...a thousand tournament comics here on the Duck ever since I re-made Sprite Smash (which was the first sprite tourney since DD's return) which is why I stopped making it. WAY too many others like it.

Ya know, perhaps we could solve this problem MY way. What if someone made a GOOD sprite tournament comic with excellent fights, a good story, and lots of character development?

We can utterly crush the low quality sprite tourneys by raising the bar for quality.

Im suprised their is an organized resistance to sprites...

Everyone knows of Sonic, Mario and even the pokimons battles and successes, certainly this must hinder the amount of members that join.

I shouldn't be posting to this thread, They may seek me out and when I go home all my base may belong to them...

While on the subject of sprite comics, here's another type of sprite comic that's novelty has worn so thin that you can't see it: Videogame Crossover Sprite Comics. I've seen at least 100 sprite crossovers since i joined, this is as bad as the tourneys, and usually as crappy

Aw, man... Every time I go to drunkduck's home page to check out my comics, 'OMG SPRITE TOURNAMENT' is jabbed into my eye sockets so I cannot continue staying happy. If I ever was. *emo tears*

Yeah... there should be a WELL MADE sprite tournament comic thing. That'd be cool. Hmm... who's up for the job?

Um... I know this is kinda off-topic, but if I make a good sprite comic with a plot and jokes and stuff and doesn't contain any sonic characters but just HAPPENS to contain edited (not recolored) sonic sprites, will TASC kill me for it?

No, we will love you for it since it is good.

I'm not so sure about this TASC thing. Sounds like a hate group to me. Is an analogy in order? How about Godwin's Law? We may or may not approach the "1" stated in said law. Let's find out!

Let's say sprite comics are black people. Not African Americans. Now, on the whole, when observing data gathered by the Bureau of Justice, we can see that the majority of inmates are minorities. Now, as they are minorities, as a whole, they must be committing quite a few more crimes than white people in order for a minority to become the majority of a sampling.

Now, let's say I were to create an organization, a coalition if you will, opposed to the criminal actions perpetuated by black people. I'll call it the "Anti-Black Coalition," or ABC. And it will become this coalition's goal to stop crime in the black community.

Boy, oh boy, wouldn't you say that the coalition's name is rather non-PC? Anti-Black Coalition? We should probably change it to "Anti-Criminal Black Coalition," but that leads to all kinds of misinterpretations of what we stand for. Are we black people against criminals? I don't know. But the point is, it becomes important to specify that we, as an organization, are not attacking the entire black community. Just those who cause crimes.

But don't more than just black people cause crimes? Only 40% of American inmates are black, meaning that the majority of the crimes committed are by non-blacks. So why just focus on the blacks? You would be attacking the same number of criminals (40%) if you went after whites. There are plenty of offenders out there of different nationalities. (If you've been following the analogy, this would be hand-drawn, computer-drawn, or any other kind of medium for webcomics. There are some pretty awful ones out there.)

So, your coalition is poorly named, poorly aimed, and poorly run. I've seen your boards and it proves, beyond a doubt, the Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory. But that's just me, and you're welcome to prove me wrong.

It's not me to ruffle feathers. In fact, after I finish writing this, I'll close the TASC forum tab and never open it again. You will be free to enjoy your hating. It's the internet after all. Enjoy it before the government steps in and ruins our fun.

But c'mon, at least give the spriters a third option. I'll get to Godwin's Law later.

...You Nazi.

I was wondering why couldn't I click on the links stated above.

Then I remembered, Oh yeah. I was banned from TASC.

...the hell?

TASC's revamped name stands for "The Anti-Shit Coalition". Anti doesn't mean hate, it means "against". Thus, we're against shit. And our goal is to turn shit around and make it something good (i.e. not shit). If people were able to not stereotype themselves, they would be able to notice this. Of course, that's not going to happen, as no one is perfect.

Also, racism applies only to denominations and, obviously, races. Not comics. Hating a genre doesn't make you a bigot, it just means you have a distaste for a certain product. Wah. I'm sure there are things you don't like. Lets say you don't like TV. That doesn't mean I sit here and say "wow, your so racist. Hating TV is like hating black people.".

Myxo, you can still see the forum. I didn't IP ban you. Plus, you know, you told me not to unban you when I used you to make a simple point. Don't push the blame on me or try to turn it around.

I hope I just dis-fused all of this, as it's really stupid. If people are sick of a type of comic, what's stopping them from going out to review it honestly? If people don't like the comments, they can admin review them, and thus anything we've done is magically reversed. No harm, no foul. Sure, people may go and be a tad TOO HARSH, but that's just the way some people are. One of them happens to be banned from DD, and for a reason.

In the end, you may protest all you want, sink so low as to make a straw-man argument that we're racist for disliking something that has absolutely nothing to do with any race. If your going to add an ist or an ism, put it infront of the word "genre" and I'll happily agree.

Until then, compare us to a group such as the KKK, Black Panthers, etc, is entirely ignorant on your part.

I should also note that we don't hate sprite comics. On a number of occasions we've praised sprite comics, and we've made lists of ones we like/love. In addition to that, I'll sure as hell protect a sprite comic's right to exist. But, existing and sucking are two different things.

I would show you the list of awesome sprite comics, had it not gotten deleted during my database recovery. Your also welcome to admit that I'm not Rich, Tater, Mimarin, or any one who falls between member number 2 or 79.

And yes, I can tell you haven't been to the site at all recently. Otherwise you would have seen several notices I made about a final revamp, and upgrade, and URL change that would end all this inane "omg u forgot a word, RAAAAAAAAAAAACIST" BS. And to prove you haven't been to our forum in a while I'll post this again and ask that you take a gander at the post date. Way to miss the notice about moving to a difference site and starting over, using a comic as the ONLY means of telling what went down at the original site. The only thing stopping me from removing every single thread on the current site is the fact that I know many users will be huffy. However, once we move, there won't be a need for any of that old crap. I've been known to remove old threads before, just to clear space and make posts easier to find. Such as that one, that you clearly missed, since you are such a connoisseur of my website.




As for the site being poorly run, I would like to see you do better. With the people I deal with, I tell them one thing, and then like clockwork, they go do something else not more then a week later. It's like magic. The new forum will have a karma system just like Drunk Duck's which WILL solve all of this. Bad posts/ignorance/failure to comply will count as a strike. This way, the stupidity will be punished as it comes, allowing me to avoid having to ban people for slipping up once or twice, or having to keep long tabs on people that could easily be lost.

I know, I said I'd never go back. Yet when I read this I decided to, only to remember I was banned, which means I can't really see the forums. Just a "you have been banned from TASC" or some shit like that.

Show me where I blamed you for banning me, I just stated what I saw. Please don't put word in my mouth.

Really? The forum should still be open for you to browse. It shouldn't lock you out entirely unless I ban your IP.

Huh, odd. Sorry, by the way your post sounded, and from what I know of my site, I assumed you were turning it around. My bad. Seems I need to do some editing with the ban options...

Oi! Oversight!

With respect to Godwin's Law and the attitudes of the internet as a whole, I was using race as a tongue-in-cheek analogy. I shoulda figgired it would be the focus. Oi! Oversight!

Summary of my post: There are lots of awful comics out there that aren't sprite-based. Probably just as many as there are sprite-based. We should all be equal opportunity haters.



Wouldn't dream of it. I'm very proud of the diplomatic language in my post. Besides, a straw-man is better than loaded language, no?



Agreed.



That's the scary thing. Subjectivity and individuality, when stacked against free-speech, can be a bitch. You say that "I tell them one thing, and then like clockwork, they go do something else". That, combined with a public declaration supporting hate (of any kind), worries me. You're one step away from becoming a big unruly mob.

Reconsidering the name would fix the "poorly named" and most likely the "poorly aimed" complaints I have lodged. Agreed? As for "poorly run," it was more a matter of uniformity and leadership, and not actual website management. (Lord knows I'd never accept your challenge to do better.) But, I can see that you see it will devolve into the greatest common demoninator of hate if there's no leash.

I think you're a dick, LeFarce. I think you're harsh and unrelenting in language and attitude. This means I can't help but admire your frank honesty. You've taken upon yourself the role of a butcher, cutting the fat away from the internet. But it's an awfully big place, these internets. I support your efforts of promoting what you find to be good art on the internet and improve the rest, though from my perspective it seems futile. But I bet you 10 to 1, you're both skilled enough and clever enough to get things done without hating or finding yourself in cahoots with haters.

And so I don my hat, pick up my cane, salute, and shuffle-step out the door.

Where's the love?

Blast, I need to reword that.

While your post threw around the idea of "hating equally", I seemed to fall into the same trap you did with my site. What would that be?

Why, paying attention to fancy eye catching words. Just as much as the phrase "anti-sprite" draws attention, so does "racist". So how does it feel on the other end. Pretty shitty, eh? Guess your post wasn't "well aimed" or "worded correctly".

You're also quoting threads that basically prove your point of "hating equally". In fact, I've had to go and bold-face the points that debunk your argument. Please don't use my site's history against me. I'm the admin of TASC, I know whats gone on in locked threads, hidden forums, why users have been banned, and I check every single post every single day. That's why I called your argument a "Straw-Man argument". Because it is. Every one of your quotes and facts can easily be debunked either by a date, another post, or knowledge I have that you don't. Please don't fall into this trap, as I'm not going to sit here and argue about something that I know to be right/wrong.

Happy now? I removed well over 1200 posts and made a public announcement about a direction change. I thought of this on several occasions but I didn't want to get backlash from removing certain threads. But hey, you make some great points (whilst making equally ignorant ones). So there, changing gears. And I'll tell you what, since my intentions are best (despite being caught in a group that according to your theory makes me look bad) if the site doesn't change, I'll step down as an admin and hand it over to someone else. Clearly I don't deserve admin rights if I can't pull off this current experiment. Wouldn't' you agree?

So please, cut the crap, stop the straw-man argument, quit calling me a racist and expecting sugar in return, and please stop trying to use my forum's history against me (when you obviously don't know enough of it).

I'm done. I dont' see any reason to debate something that I know is right or wrong. I'm wasting my breath. But I'm done bickering as this thread will just get locked and one of us if not both will get in trouble. So I'm sorry if I've pissed you off in anyway.

as a sprite artist i am dissapointed by the people who are this crap (im not great but im better than that crap)

"this crap"? If you mean in tasc, then that's kinda...stupid. They're, when you think about it an organization that is trying all they can (with the occasional exception) to help people get better. Kinda like the UN minus the bull crap.

If you mean comics like toastman's, then I agree. That was just sad and annoying. I guess they're really young people because no kid in say high school would suck that bad and have such an infantile retort...meh, whatever.

Well with luck my recent attempt at re-invention will work. After reading his replies more and more, I understand his points. I didn't care much for the racist comparison at all, but everything that follows I took to heart and will improve apon.

But hey, I have to turn 78 people around. It's my job as an admin, and hopefully...

hmm.... another sprite topic gone astray. take this to top drawer or discussion and debate. [locked]